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Hudud Law is not possible because it is against the Constitution. The law of the land is secular. The politicians could say whatever they want. Unless PAS has 2/3 majority, otherwise there will no change of the Constitution.

What does it matter who is canvassing for hudud laws whether Husam or Khairy? The point is do the Muslims want them and if that is so let them have it as long as it does not affect the non-Muslims who should remain to be under the Civil Law. In this respect PAS stands on solid ground as they are motivated by intellectual honesty and principles. UMNO is hollow idea wise. They are devoid of ethics and morality and want perpetual power everybody knows for what.

Who are best endowed presently to deliver good governance in general and rid the massive Malay rural poverty in particular? My vote will go to PAS because the leaders are, by and large, honest and sincere and adhere to certain principles. Years of ruling Kelantan has not undermined their integrity and sense of purpose. The leaders lead a simple life shunning materialism – an aberration in Malaysian politics.

For PAS to embark and succeed in this mission, it needs to win over the trust of the non-Malays. This can be done by incorporating some significant fundamental rights for the non-Malays in the constitution touching on issues like the use and practice of their language, religion, and non-discriminatory government policies (far more than what is spelt out in the constitution) Few thing it could do to get the endorsement of all Malaysians would be to address core issues along the following line:

(I) It could preach and promote the need to implement hudud laws for the Muslims but it should be implemented only when 75% of the Muslim electorate vote for it in a referendum (since it is one of the main planks in its agenda, and whether the hudud laws are relevant in this modern globalised world is not the focus here) It should also allow the same space for Muslims oppossed to hudud laws to campaign against its implementation without being unfairly condemned. Let it be a fair battle for the hearts and minds of the Muslims. Also PAS should give an undertaking to the non-Muslims that if at all it gets the public endorsement to go ahead with hudud laws, it will not shift the goal post subsequently to affect the non-Muslims

(ii) Allow the NEP to continue in modified form with emphasis to eliminate rural poverty within a time frame of 10-15 years after which it should lapse automatically.

(iii) The positive discriminatory policies favouring the Malays and Bumiputras (like giving major contracts, housing benefits and places in institutions of education – all in a transparent manner) should continue for another 10-15 years as the need may be or un till 50% of equity capital is owned by this group, whichever comes first.

(iv) The intake of non-Malays into the Civil Service including the Police and Army as well as for jobs in the Statutory Boards, Government Agencies and Companies should be accelerated so that within 5-10 years they will make up a minimum of 30% of the total workforce in these sectors

K Das is right on this matter. The non-Muslim should not be afraid of Hudud laws at all. Yes Khir is right in saying that Malaysia is a multiracial country, and Islam recognizes that. During prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) days, when Islam first governed Madinah, the Muslims were subjected to Hudud but the non-Muslims were subjected to their laws. That is what Islam proposes. It does not affect the non-Muslims. So I don't know why some are jumpy when it comes to Hudud. Non-Muslims can still abide by their secular laws. I do know why UMNO is jumpy though, the remifications on them would be massive being Muslims that they "are". Khir is wrong when saying that Hudud is a small claim in Islam and this shows how much he knows about Islam. Shameful statement coming from a Muslim.

Since this is the case, everyone should vote for one of the independents.

Ha,Ha,Ha..what a joke..statements coming out from the ex-MB SElangor,preaching about
responsibility,ready to face challenge,willing to uphold justice and free from all the bad points
of life.If you have practiced all these when you were the MB of Selangor,I am very sure all the
Selangor kawasans are putih when you declared to the PM prior to the 8th Mar.08 election.
How come most of the kawasans,esp.all from the Klang valley voted against BN in general and
you in particular.

It is because to you semua-nya ok,adun given low cost land to build palace,councillors are allowed
to operate illegal satay stalls while others poor hawkers stall are demolished,worse still,property and
land assessment not paid for over 10 years whilst others have to pay hefty fines.Your most vicious
act was lodging and making false report against an exco member resulting in her arrest under ISA
which makes the whole cabinet a laughing stock to the nation.Spare UMNO youth further humilation
by withdrawing from the race if you sincerely and genuinely want to help rebuild UMNO.By the way,
if you still want to impress malaysian voters,please improve on your english speaking skill and intellect.Otherwise you can only hood-wink poor and illeterate people from rural areas.

It is impossible for Pas to implement Hudud when the number of PAS seats is so miserable. What Husam said has no bearing at all. If only Husam has a decent bit of intelligence, he should have qualified himself, thus not inconveniencing the PR coalition partners.

K Das comments on Hudud Laws, NEP is the most sensible view I've ever heard and should be looked into seriously by all parties. Instead of jumping the gun & be histerical about Hudud laws, people like Lim Kit Siang & Chiew Mai Fun should do a bit more thinking & homework and play less politics. Why make noise for something that does not concern or affect you? Stop capitalizing isses like this to win votes. People are sick and tired of your religios & racial politics.

Hudud adalah undang - undang di dalam Islam yang diperintahkan oleh Allah S.W.T untuk umatnya yg beragama Islam sahaja. Ia tidak ada kena malah tidak menjentik sikit pun telinga atau kulit anda yg bukan beragama Islam..sepertimana Islam menghormati peraturan dan undang - undang agama yg lain..anda juga yg tidak beragama Islam perlu menghormatinya..seperti kami menghormati upacara sembahyang agama yg lain..begitu juga anda terhadap undang - undang Islam...adalah tidak beradab dan wajar mengkritik sesuatu yg anda sendiri tidak fahami langsung dan tidak sangkut langsung dengana agama, bangsa, dan adab anda..sekali hudud hanyalah untuk org Islam..dan apa yg Husam katakan adalah tanggungjawab beliau sebagai pemimpin Islam kepada kaum seumat yg berugama Islam sahaja..tidak langsung berkaitan dengan kaum lain yg tidak menganut Islam..sebelum kritik..sekurangnya2 fahami dahulu undang2 dan agama kami..

This guy Husam Musa is dump or what? Just when the bet is on PAS to win in KT, he has to open his mouth and put a spanner in the works. If PAS loses, he must take all the blame. I thought that only the umnos are still living in denial mode, but I never thought some people in PAS like Husam, have still NOT awaken from the March Tsunami.

The lives of Muslims and Non-Muslims in this country are inextricably linked. If, through Hudud laws, Muslim individuals lose their civil liberties, it will have serious consequences for non-muslims as well. To imagine otherwise is simply a political delusion.

The issue of PAS imposition of Islam may not be as benign as it sounded.
There were various issues when they passed laws to ban things like concerts, impose separate check out counters at supermarkets etc that will definitely affect the non-Muslims.
Don't forget though that Hudud may not affect the non-Muslims to any extent at first but eventually it will spread as it slowly encroaches on the rights of non-Muslims.
In this world, the extremist will always get their way.

since when did this toyol fella think so multiracial ?? were you not yourself a champion of the malays without thinking of the nation's multiracial structure not so very long ago?? you are so disgusting..!!

this husam fella is very likely an umno operative too...saying the wrong things at the most opportune time to create problems for pakatan..

Thank you very much K Das for being someone who can understand what the muslim needs. Hudud is not a minor thing as for being a good muslim since it is the law of islam and hudud is not a mere chopping hand law or amputating limbs but covers the whole aspects of muslim's life. As much as the non muslims need to keep their culture & language it is also the same for us. Shame on Khir! I agree that there is a lot of things need to be done by PAS (and if not KEADILAN) to show to the non muslim that Hudud is a muslim need and its law shall not be implemented to the non muslim is they did not want to. I do hope there will be more open debate or talks which could get Malaysian talking about this and help to open the non muslims eye on our (muslims) need so to be fair that for we could respect your needs so could you. After all we are sharing the same roof, isnt it?

there are over 100 million chinese muslim in China and they embraced Islam long before the Malays
in this country. so why are the chinese here so afraid of Islam ???? unless you are a thief a rapist a criminal...

UMNO is trying to scare people again.

Hudud for muslims, that's is fair enough.

Over years, we have never heard about Church, Buddhist temples or Hindu temples got torn down by PAS administration. On the other hand, tearing down of temples were occurring with increasing frequency in states where UMNO influence prevails. There are solid proofs to crush UMNO's hypocrite as well as there are proof to substantiate PAS's open-mindness so far.

Khir is a sham. PAS are much more trustworthy than snakes UMNO. Even the Chinese in Trengganu know that.

Vote UMNO down.

PAS should realize that the PR pact won the 8 March election was due to its NON extremist approach projected by PAS to the public especially to non-muslim voters. Do not betray the non-muslim voter, they need an alternate political alliance that is forward looking, transperant, pragmatic and promote racial-religion harmony.

To all non-muslim in KT..support PR for noble cause. Reject BN=UMNO.

Once again..for haven sake..to the chinese in KT..wake up !

Hudud is better than the current corrupt environment. Afterall if properly implemented and practiced non-Muslims should not be worried.

The Muslims in Medina who lived side by side with the Jews during Prophet Muhammad's time were governed by one set of rules while the Jews had a different list to abide. The rules were very clearly stipulated under the Medina charter. I have a vague recollection of learning all this during Form 2 "Sejarah" lessons 16 years ago and having to memorise it all again for SPM 3 years later. If the Muslims and Jews could make it work then, we as Malaysians most certainly can. Of course, it would be entirely up to the Muslims themselves to decide if this is what they want.

Hudud may be our only hope of stopping UMNOputras from behaving like bandits. No Monsoon Cup. No Patrick Badawi.

Sir,

I would like to correct Malaysian Insider's erroneous report of what I purportedly said at Saturday's forum with YB Dato' Husam Musa in Kota Baru. It appears as though I said that I would support the implementation of Hudud should I win the leadership of UMNO Youth.

When I was asked by the moderator,"Kalau YB menjadi Ketua Pemuda UMNO Malaysia, adakah YB hendak memperjuangkan hukum Hudud di negara kita?" (If YB wins the UMNO Youth leadership, would you fight for Hudud laws in our country?).

I answered, "Secara jelas, kita teruskan apa yang ada. Itu dasar Kerajaan Barisan Nasional." (Clearly, we will continue with what there is. That is the policy of the Barisan Nasional government).

It is clear from the above transcript that I firmly stated my support for the status quo which means that I will not be fighting for Hudud if I win the leadership. I hope you will retract all references to the erroneous attribution and refrain from getting quotes from other individuals based on the mistake.

I am not at all surprised that Dato' Seri Dr Khir Toyo, in his haste to score cheap political points against me during this campaign season, would discard simple fact-checking in favour of second hand reports. I suggest he check his sources first before casting aspersions on others.

Thank you,

Khairy Jamaluddin
Deputy Leader of UMNO Youth and MP for Rembau

As a Chinese Buddist, I have no objection for Hudud Law especially for corruption and theft. I cannot go out and drink beer and so I have to stay at home with my children. How lovely family life. I am sure MCA chinese will object because their hands will be chopped.

I met UMNO's youth in Permatang Pauh from across the street. They look like humans but certainly did not act like one. They were rude, violent and hostile. An elderly malay lady moved to tears as she starred at them; "what has become of our young?"

So Datuk Khir, yes continue the good efforts by UMNO youth.

I am a DAP supporter but I believe Husam and PAS has a right to fight for Islamic state if that is what he wants just as its DAP right to fight against it. The only caveat is they must follow the rules, i.e., the constitution and there is independence of judiciary first before they do it.

What I don't support is Husam being stupid about using this issue for election purposes. Terengganu is actually divided over this issue and Husam is pandering to Islamic right at the expense of the non-Muslim vote in Terengganu and larger national middle ground on this issue. Such narrow, short-term strategy is counterproductive in the long run AND may not even work in the short run. It reeks of desperation and UMNO's way. KT is important to PR but NOT at any cost and certaintly NOT at the larger national price especially Sarawak and Sabah. That is just stupid...

Way to go, man.

I support your motion..

We cannot have a society having separate laws for people living in the same country/communal space.
That is a house divided and further segregates people. We should be look at common ground, uniting factors, not things to divide people even further.

My life is linked to everyone else, whether Muslim and Non-Muslim. We should not promote religious or racial exclusivity. We are bearing the fruit of it, so why push it even further.

Religious authority has been abused throughout the ages, from people getting burned for heresy to girls getting acid thrown in the face for attending school, no need for someone to use religion or hide behind religion to promote their own prejudices and beliefs.

Hudud is something (to me) that a religious party harps one when it is intellectually bankrupt (like UMNO with Ketuanan UMNO, or MCA (and DAP) with their Chinese Schools forever etc).

After Hudud, then what? Isn't it the end all and be all? What is PAS going to be about or stand for after Hudud is implemented, since it will be the law of the land whoever is in power with less than 75% of the MP's

Actually this was said delibrately so that UMNO would win the by-election. Both are similar race-based party with quite similar struggles. Some leaders in PAS are actually quite sympathatic to UNMO's current situation. They do not wish UMNO to loose further. hehe

reading thru all remarks above makes me feel so cold....
cold in the sense of why people is still thinking from HIS/HER point of view?
did YOU ever think of others before you said something? were you in the other's shoes when you said something?
Hudud is for Muslim, non-muslim shall abide by civil law - simple conclusion. but what happen if you have dispute between a Muslim & non-muslim? you go to the Syariah Court or civil court?
please be more considerate my dear people......

In another occasion, UMNO wants to provoke Malays against PR by heating racial sentiments. They make a fuss over the Perak govt action to grant freehold land title, and accuse that Perak govt is giving land to only a single race. Need to mention also, the appointment of a Chinese for PKNS chairman. They claim that the post is only for Malays, while PKNS is Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor, it belongs to all citizens of Selangor.
(What is MCA doing? Just be a "Yes Man" to UMNO.)

About the UiTM issue, I am a frequent visitor to UiTM while they are doing preparation for Asian University Games, and I saw many rich students,with expensive cars (while I'm only using a motorbike) who I think not deserved to enter UiTM as they can afford to enter other IPT. UiTM should be only restricted to the poor, especially poor Bumiputeras. If it's still not full because there is enough poor Malays, maybe they can consider to open for poor non-Malays who have the required qualifiaction.

Husam is just explaining his party's principles, which is the responsibility of all muslims. Not just PAS people only. For the non-Muslims anti-hudud people, I can understand your fear, but please, do more homework and research about hudud laws implementation. Check Iran and Saudi Arabia as example.

For the muslims who opposes hudud, learn more about your own religion. Khairy is just making a fuss over this issue to break the PR coalition, not because he is committed to hudud.

Religious administration is far better than an administration with racial policies. Hope everyone now understand the difference between PAS and UMNO, they are truly different like the sky and earth.

K Das is probably one of the few non-muslims who understands what the implementation of Hudud Law is all about. Maybe PAS should include him in their roadshows with which I'm sure will have a great impact and garner the much required support.
The law of the land is no longer relevant (for Muslims) compared to the law of the (Holy) Book. How many cases of injustice have we seen take place in our beloved country during the last 25 years. The integrity of the Judges are questionable, the credibility of the police are dictated. As muslims, we should believe that the law of the (Holy) Book prevails above all else. But UMNO being a Malay (Muslim) party rejects it like its the plague. Another issue is why UMNO is so much against Islam being a part of politics and vice-versa. Islam is all encompassing, including politics.
If I remember correctly after the economic crisis circa 1987, many non-muslims have opted for Islamic Banking loans after seeing their loan repayments more than double-up during the economic crisis. The reason is that the Islamic Banking concept is fair, as is all its other laws. Let's open up our eyes, ears and hearts to the truth, for in the end... only truth shall prevail.