Updated at 11.50pm
By Adib Zalkapli and Jack Ooi
PETALING JAYA, May 28 – Two workers were killed and five others are still trapped when the Jaya supermarket building in Section 14, a Petaling Jaya icon being torn down for redevelopment, collapsed today during demolition works that went awry in the busy commercial district.
Selangor Fire Department chief Soiman Jahid said his team rescued the first worker at 5.45pm, an hour after the collapse.
Another survivor was rescued at 6pm and sent to the Universiti Hospital but a third retrieved at 6.45pm died shortly after and the body of the second dead worker was brought out at 10.25pm.
There were nine workers, all Indonesians, on the site when the building collapsed at 4.45pm.
Petaling Jaya police chief ACP Arjunaidi Mohamed identified the first dead man as Mastor, aged 28.
One of the two rescued workers has been identified as Saleh, 48, who is now receiving outpatient treatment. Many Indonesians only have one name.The six men trapped in the rubble after the collapse were named as Ashuki, Rouf, Hadi, Fauzan, Maddekid, Anwaruddin, including the second second dead worker, who has not been identified.
Visiting the scene, Housing And Local Government Deputy Minister, Datuk Seri Lajim Ukin said the building might have collapsed because it was overloaded, adding that there were eight excavators inside, one of which still had its engine still running.
Selangor Mentri Besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim said he would seek an explanation from the contractors involved and the Petaling Jaya City Council tomorrow, after the state economic action council meeting.
"I hope the people will not crowd the area and cause difficulties to search and rescue operation," he added.
The Public Works Department will assist in the investigation and has already provided manpower and machinery, said Works Minister Datuk Shaziman Abu Mansor.
Police have now put a 5km security cordon around the area as ambulances rushed the injured to the nearby Universiti Hospital.
Rescue workers from the fire department are still at the scene rescuing those trapped in the rubble.
At an 11pm press conference, Arjunaidi confirmed that the second dead body, yet to be identified, was retrieved at about 35 minutes earlier.
"According to our plan, we will start using heavy machinery to remove obstacles, including rubble and metal."
"We have determined the location of the trapped victims," he said, "and the search and rescue method will be assessed continuously."
An eyewitness Syed Mohammad Aidid Syed Ahmad Aidid said he heard a loud roar like that of a thunder while driving pass the area.
“The building started collapsing when his car was just next to it! Brownish red dust, like smoke & debris came falling down on the car, flash back of World Trade Centre movie...never be so scared in my life!” he recalled.
Syed Mohammad Aidid, 41, said he had just left the nearby Digital Mall building to go to his office at Phileo Damansara when the Jaya Supermarket building collapsed.
“I saw in front of me several cars but they managed to escape. I just floored the accelerator but some of the rubble hit my car and dented it. I was shaken with fear and prayed that I would be out of harm’s way,” he said.
Originally called the Jaya Shopping Centre, the landmark was built in 1974 and was one of the first supermarkets in Petaling Jaya that survived the many facets of development until now.
It began with the Cold Storage chain before becoming the Giant supermarket a few years ago.
It was one of the few lifestyle centres in Petaling Jaya before the introduction of bigger shopping malls in the Klang Valley. There are several new developments across the road that have also taken up former tenants who moved out last year when it was closed down for redevelopment.
The shopping centre was involved in a controversy in the early 1990s when it built a 10-storey car park extension - four storeys higher than what the building plans approved by the then Petaling Jaya Municipal Council (MPPJ).
The building has four storeys of retail units, office units and a multi-level carpark.
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written by ali bin ahmad, May 28, 2009
written by ali bin ahmad, May 28, 2009
ini adalah akibat rasuah....pegawai kerajaan and umno
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written by buana kirana, May 28, 2009
written by buana kirana, May 28, 2009
many more buildings in PJ are cracking... thanks to the corrupted Barisan Nasional.
PJ New Town multi-storey car park is also cracking. Just go to see at their staircase, u will not dare to park your car there.
PJ New Town multi-storey car park is also cracking. Just go to see at their staircase, u will not dare to park your car there.
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written by MAD, May 28, 2009
written by MAD, May 28, 2009
This is so sad to see building collapse in Malaysia. My sympathy to those caught in this. Unfortunately, this will not be the last. There are so many building passed and certified with "close one eye". Sooner or later, they will collapse. I suggest people not to frequent all these malls too often.
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written by chialat, May 28, 2009
written by chialat, May 28, 2009
for god sake, can someone gets advices from our beloved PM of the type of C4 should be used??
http://chialatfoods.blogspot.com
http://chialatfoods.blogspot.com
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written by Orang KL, May 28, 2009
written by Orang KL, May 28, 2009
Ini juga etika profesional dan rasuah. Mana safety officer, jurutera yang bertanggung jawab. Tangkap mereka dan tanya, kalau kecuaian kerja, masuk lokap.... Sudah banyak kali berlaku, tapi takda tindakan. mana jurutera dan perancang bandar bukit antarabangsa? Sama BN atau PR.
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written by Charles F Moreira, May 28, 2009
written by Charles F Moreira, May 28, 2009
While it may be true that the 10 story tower was built four stories more than approved, it was the floors of the left rear quarter of the original four storey building across from, the entrance to Menara Bakti which collapsed.
When I saw the area cordoned off, with the Fire Brigade, Ambulance, MPPJ and the Police in the area, I felt that they were about to demolish the structure with explosives but after going up for a closer look, I saw two heavy erath moving machinery with backhoe attachments (ie. mechanical diggers) on the upper collapsed floors.
However, there still remain questions as to whether the use of such heavy machinery on the structure was a wise thing to do and whether that contributed to the collapse.
The collapse was worst at the leftmost rear corner of the building, though the pillars remained standing.
When I saw the area cordoned off, with the Fire Brigade, Ambulance, MPPJ and the Police in the area, I felt that they were about to demolish the structure with explosives but after going up for a closer look, I saw two heavy erath moving machinery with backhoe attachments (ie. mechanical diggers) on the upper collapsed floors.
However, there still remain questions as to whether the use of such heavy machinery on the structure was a wise thing to do and whether that contributed to the collapse.
The collapse was worst at the leftmost rear corner of the building, though the pillars remained standing.
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written by Wise, May 28, 2009
written by Wise, May 28, 2009
Only pea brained people like ali can think of comments like this at tragic times
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written by akupuntaksukaumno, May 28, 2009
written by akupuntaksukaumno, May 28, 2009
tak paham la ali...apa kena mengena dgn rasuah? kat selangor plak tu...
(mesti kena vote down ni...)
(mesti kena vote down ni...)
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written by miyuki-miu, May 28, 2009
written by miyuki-miu, May 28, 2009
"Jaya supermarket building in Section 14..........collapsed today DURING DEMOLITION WORK that went awry in the busy commercial district."
i don't think is because the government..the building is going to demolish..is an incident..
i don't think is because the government..the building is going to demolish..is an incident..
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written by shukur, May 28, 2009
written by shukur, May 28, 2009
alahai encik ali, x baca berita ni betul2 ke??? x kan laaa kecuaian manusia pn nak kaitkan dengan umno n rasuah jugak..saya pn x gemar umno nih..tapi x de laa sampai semua benda nak kait dengan diorang..haih
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written by Eric, May 28, 2009
written by Eric, May 28, 2009
We live within walking distance and can view the Menara Jaya disaster from our balcony. Besides mourning prayers for the 9 victims and thanking ones for the brave firemen risking their lives to rescue the workers, a few thoughts come to mind.
1)How on earth could this happen? Building demolition is nowadays a routine exercise. The sudden collapse sounds a lot like cutting corners by the developer, the already tainted Malton, and their subcontractors. The fact the victims are foreigners makes me fear the possible investigations, if any (!), will pass the buck to the poor dead in the usual irresponsible fashion.
2)The disorganization of the rescue effort is very obvious. The access roads were not cut. Due to the Malaysian culture of watching accidents, rescue vehicles were blocked on the road by selfish Malaysian drivers who would simply not give way. These rescue vehicles have been trickling in from various locations for hours with an obvious lack of coordination. Surely there is no VIP here!
3)Malaysian authorities’ priorities make no sense. A few months back and within walking distance, Anti-ISA vigils were happening on private properties (MBPJ Town Hall entrance lobby), far removed from the road (nobody could see from the road) and with no violence whatsoever. The only danger was brought by unruly and low-brow polis, SB and FRU (with full-gear including shot guns) outnumbering vigilers by a factor of 2 or 3. The Vigils only ever involved around a hundred people at a time. Roads were cut a number of times. Once up to Amcorp mall. Obviously, a helicopter was used once in a while to cover the speeches. Contrast this with now with people ACTUALLY risking death. PRDM is nowhere to be seen.
This whole event shows how BN has corrupted our institutions. I am not even talking about Perak. BN’s rot has spread all over our daily life. Look at our current expectations:
•PRDM is only meant as a repression tool.
•Control institutions (regulatory and judiciary bodies) are known to be corrupt and unfair to the core. No justice is expected from them anymore.
•Rescue departments (Bomba, ambulances) are nearing uselessness. Contrarily to what the article says, many ambulances were actually sent to private hospitals and not UM’s. Reason probably being no public ambulance available at the time.
By staying silent one more day, we encourage their incompetence and corruption, bringing this country one step further to the brink.
1 Black Malaysia. Democracy First. Elections Now.
1)How on earth could this happen? Building demolition is nowadays a routine exercise. The sudden collapse sounds a lot like cutting corners by the developer, the already tainted Malton, and their subcontractors. The fact the victims are foreigners makes me fear the possible investigations, if any (!), will pass the buck to the poor dead in the usual irresponsible fashion.
2)The disorganization of the rescue effort is very obvious. The access roads were not cut. Due to the Malaysian culture of watching accidents, rescue vehicles were blocked on the road by selfish Malaysian drivers who would simply not give way. These rescue vehicles have been trickling in from various locations for hours with an obvious lack of coordination. Surely there is no VIP here!
3)Malaysian authorities’ priorities make no sense. A few months back and within walking distance, Anti-ISA vigils were happening on private properties (MBPJ Town Hall entrance lobby), far removed from the road (nobody could see from the road) and with no violence whatsoever. The only danger was brought by unruly and low-brow polis, SB and FRU (with full-gear including shot guns) outnumbering vigilers by a factor of 2 or 3. The Vigils only ever involved around a hundred people at a time. Roads were cut a number of times. Once up to Amcorp mall. Obviously, a helicopter was used once in a while to cover the speeches. Contrast this with now with people ACTUALLY risking death. PRDM is nowhere to be seen.
This whole event shows how BN has corrupted our institutions. I am not even talking about Perak. BN’s rot has spread all over our daily life. Look at our current expectations:
•PRDM is only meant as a repression tool.
•Control institutions (regulatory and judiciary bodies) are known to be corrupt and unfair to the core. No justice is expected from them anymore.
•Rescue departments (Bomba, ambulances) are nearing uselessness. Contrarily to what the article says, many ambulances were actually sent to private hospitals and not UM’s. Reason probably being no public ambulance available at the time.
By staying silent one more day, we encourage their incompetence and corruption, bringing this country one step further to the brink.
1 Black Malaysia. Democracy First. Elections Now.
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written by ravin, May 28, 2009
written by ravin, May 28, 2009
blame the nicoll highway collapse in singapore on bn too. whatever u guys are smoking please quit, including the "politically objective" moderators.
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written by perakian, May 28, 2009
written by perakian, May 28, 2009
Satu lagi projek kerajaan 'Barisan Nasional'.
Yet, another project by BN Government!
Yet, another project by BN Government!
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written by perakian, May 28, 2009
written by perakian, May 28, 2009
"The shopping centre was involved in a controversy in the early 1990s when it built a 10-storey car park extension - four storeys higher than what the building plans approved by the then Petaling Jaya Municipal Council (MPPJ)."
This is another proud project of "Barisan National".
This is another proud project of "Barisan National".
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written by ssy, May 28, 2009
written by ssy, May 28, 2009
With this article, we can see a lot of shallow minded people who like to comment for a sake of tarnishing the image of government. Anything can be relate to BN or Umno..very pathetic...!
It only shows us how "extreme" is PR supporters...never think in rational way...no wonder so many "kid" behaviours around such as protest on the street, hunger strike, meeting under tree, revenge, etc.... =P...
It only shows us how "extreme" is PR supporters...never think in rational way...no wonder so many "kid" behaviours around such as protest on the street, hunger strike, meeting under tree, revenge, etc.... =P...
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written by sabahans, May 28, 2009
written by sabahans, May 28, 2009
apa kena mengena dengan umno???? saudara saudari sekalian nih insiden lagi pun nih berlaku masa diorang tengah nak robohkan building tu,,,, emmmmm,,,,, langsung tak berkaitan langsung,,,,,,, :) anyway takziah for the victims ,,, and umno akan kalah teruk di pilihan raya yang ke 13!!!!
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written by Jesse, May 28, 2009
written by Jesse, May 28, 2009
Eric, the ambulances that were park right infront of my gate right after the Incident occured were those belonging to PPUM/UMMC or wht was formerly known as University Hospital. I do not see any other ambulance there before PPUM's so how can you say the victims were taken to private hospitals? then what were the PPUM's ambulance doing there. Also all the main roads into section 14 has been blockaded, right now it is still blockaded, so why do you say it is not blocked? Just wanted to clear some things up. Cheers.
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written by obefiend, May 29, 2009
written by obefiend, May 29, 2009
ali bin ahmad memalukan bangsa sendiri. menuduh meng-H1N1 buta tanpa usual periksa. mungkin otak terlalu taksude dengan propaganda PR sehingga semua benda hendak disalahkan pada UMNO/BN. nah kalau esok ada kapal terbang terhempas Ali bin Ahmad akan jadi manusia kontol pertama yang akan salahkan BN. selang sehari kalau ada anak kecil mati dilanggar kereta Ali akan salahkan UMNO juga. ish ish.......... jangan taksub cik ali. baca dulu.
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written by Jason, May 29, 2009
written by Jason, May 29, 2009
No safety enforcement by the authorities who approved the demolition job. These contractors who are demolishing the building are not required to take any precaution, and also when something bad happens which results in injuries and deaths, do you think anyone will be charged and found guilty or punished?
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written by 88, May 29, 2009
written by 88, May 29, 2009
It is amazing to see idiotic accusations being hurled at UMNO/BN for an incident like this. Shows how poisoned the minds of these poor souls are..
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written by Jason, May 29, 2009
written by Jason, May 29, 2009
This must be MBPJ's and housing authorities' doing. These institutions when you need them to enforce something, they don't. When you don't need them to enforce, they go and enforce. It all depends on taking instruction from their long-time masters BN. Even if the govt change to PR, these institutions have been in place for decades with their top people all BN people.
Only the blind will not realize that such man-made disasters are the indirect doing of BN and their corruption over the years.
Only the blind will not realize that such man-made disasters are the indirect doing of BN and their corruption over the years.
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written by Buckaroo Banzai, May 29, 2009
written by Buckaroo Banzai, May 29, 2009
Ape la cik ali ni, nak komen tu biar la bertempat. Ade orang dah hilang nyawa, ada yang parah, masih lagi nak buat komen tak masuk akal. Kan ke banggunan tu tgh nak demolish internally bit by bit, pi la tgk sendiri. It was an accident. Whether it is avoidable or not, no one know yet.
The best we can do is try to help in any way we can or at least give condolences to the grieving parties. Ni sikit sikit politik, sikit sikit rasuah, sikit sikit gomen. Cik ali ni, pi la tobat. Tutop mulot busuk tu kalau ape yang asyik keluar tu hancing saja.
The best we can do is try to help in any way we can or at least give condolences to the grieving parties. Ni sikit sikit politik, sikit sikit rasuah, sikit sikit gomen. Cik ali ni, pi la tobat. Tutop mulot busuk tu kalau ape yang asyik keluar tu hancing saja.
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written by Apong malik, May 29, 2009
Under UMNO rule more such NONSENSE will happen and continue to happen such as Building Collapse, Bridges collapse, or even Parliament House one day will collapse one day... or Bus overloaded with passenger overturn which claim many casulties or even Train Clash or even AirPlan Crash....
..... Because we have Nuisance Peoples holding high position but doing NONSENSE without taking full responsiblity yet refuse to resign when serious problems happening or unfolding , these monkeys some more speak with twisted-tongue. They are good at blaming the whole world except themself , their INCOMMPETENT and INCAPABLITY.
... just like what happen to India, Bangladesh, Pakistan because our nation have leaders with mentality equal to these countries.
It will not surprise OneMalaysiall will collapse beyond our imagination.
How could incompetents Manage an NATION that suppose to be FIRST World Country by 2020 ?
Sweet Dream Only ???
written by Apong malik, May 29, 2009
Under UMNO rule more such NONSENSE will happen and continue to happen such as Building Collapse, Bridges collapse, or even Parliament House one day will collapse one day... or Bus overloaded with passenger overturn which claim many casulties or even Train Clash or even AirPlan Crash....
..... Because we have Nuisance Peoples holding high position but doing NONSENSE without taking full responsiblity yet refuse to resign when serious problems happening or unfolding , these monkeys some more speak with twisted-tongue. They are good at blaming the whole world except themself , their INCOMMPETENT and INCAPABLITY.
... just like what happen to India, Bangladesh, Pakistan because our nation have leaders with mentality equal to these countries.
It will not surprise OneMalaysiall will collapse beyond our imagination.
How could incompetents Manage an NATION that suppose to be FIRST World Country by 2020 ?
Sweet Dream Only ???
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written by baby engineer, May 29, 2009
written by baby engineer, May 29, 2009
i had gone through most of the news/articles/etc
and i even went to that area for a look on what happen since got a friend stay @ menara bakti
i did feel that some of the things written/concern by local council, the people standing there or mayb some other unknown parties are not so accurate
1. News concern that the collapse might due to overloading by the excavator.
- actually this is very unfair to the contractor as this is an accident, no one will want it happen. Some more the collapse just happen few hours ago. No investigation on the structure being carried out yet, so it is not so good to give some comment like this at the earlier stage or before the investigation. Wonder why they will not think about it might due to fault design by the earlier consultant, or might due to workmanship problem by the earlier contractor????????????i doubt this!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets look into it in Engineering way.
A Retail / shopping complex's slab is design to cater for a very high loading (life load/dead load)*.
it might be 10 tonne for a slab. Mayb some real engineer can clarify this.
so an excavator being put there is EX60 (which is about 6.5 tonne only), sure the slab can take the load. Note: the excavator model is what i get from the menara bakti using my friend's binocular.
what i saw there even the slab also being prop up using the scaffolding (where each scaffolding can take about 2 tonne), so why the slab cant take the load?????
slab load permissible = 10 tonne
Scaffold load permissible = (2.5t x 4 nos)=10 tonne (what i observe there is the slab is being prop up with more than 4 scaffold, i think there were thousand of scaffold propping
see the calculation above i hope u guys can understand
* dead load = partition/goods/etc (this is a shopping complex, i think the thing sure a lot like hell)
* live load = people/or something is moving (1 ppl say 60kg, 30 ppl already 1.8tonne. dont tell me only 3 ppl in the shopping!!!)
* roof top is a car park. a car about 1 tonne, for a area like 9m x 9m can cater for 6 cars. so about 6 tonne/81m2, sure the slab will design for higher loading, so a excavator is just 6.2 tonne, only 200kg heavier
2. Professional engineer
i think most of the project will required a PE for the work. sure the PE will need to ensure everything is OK then only allow the contractor to do the work. otherwise sure the PE will never allow contractor to do the work. Please think about how big is the responsibility of a PE. a signature on a paper then he/she will need to bear the LIFETIME RESPONSIBILITY.
3. 30 years old building
guys, this is a 30 years old building. it even elder than me. no1 can sure what happen or what can happen to this building within this 30 years. so what can we call it????
the current contractor sure always be the 1st one being blamed, why? they just do their job only for something which is really old.
frankly speaking. i heard a lot of people talking about like: how the structure collapse, what, etc
for me, all these people are like a ENGINEER WANNABE....
i would say let the professional do their job and pray for the peoples trap inside
i hope they are safe
and i even went to that area for a look on what happen since got a friend stay @ menara bakti
i did feel that some of the things written/concern by local council, the people standing there or mayb some other unknown parties are not so accurate
1. News concern that the collapse might due to overloading by the excavator.
- actually this is very unfair to the contractor as this is an accident, no one will want it happen. Some more the collapse just happen few hours ago. No investigation on the structure being carried out yet, so it is not so good to give some comment like this at the earlier stage or before the investigation. Wonder why they will not think about it might due to fault design by the earlier consultant, or might due to workmanship problem by the earlier contractor????????????i doubt this!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets look into it in Engineering way.
A Retail / shopping complex's slab is design to cater for a very high loading (life load/dead load)*.
it might be 10 tonne for a slab. Mayb some real engineer can clarify this.
so an excavator being put there is EX60 (which is about 6.5 tonne only), sure the slab can take the load. Note: the excavator model is what i get from the menara bakti using my friend's binocular.
what i saw there even the slab also being prop up using the scaffolding (where each scaffolding can take about 2 tonne), so why the slab cant take the load?????
slab load permissible = 10 tonne
Scaffold load permissible = (2.5t x 4 nos)=10 tonne (what i observe there is the slab is being prop up with more than 4 scaffold, i think there were thousand of scaffold propping
see the calculation above i hope u guys can understand
* dead load = partition/goods/etc (this is a shopping complex, i think the thing sure a lot like hell)
* live load = people/or something is moving (1 ppl say 60kg, 30 ppl already 1.8tonne. dont tell me only 3 ppl in the shopping!!!)
* roof top is a car park. a car about 1 tonne, for a area like 9m x 9m can cater for 6 cars. so about 6 tonne/81m2, sure the slab will design for higher loading, so a excavator is just 6.2 tonne, only 200kg heavier
2. Professional engineer
i think most of the project will required a PE for the work. sure the PE will need to ensure everything is OK then only allow the contractor to do the work. otherwise sure the PE will never allow contractor to do the work. Please think about how big is the responsibility of a PE. a signature on a paper then he/she will need to bear the LIFETIME RESPONSIBILITY.
3. 30 years old building
guys, this is a 30 years old building. it even elder than me. no1 can sure what happen or what can happen to this building within this 30 years. so what can we call it????
the current contractor sure always be the 1st one being blamed, why? they just do their job only for something which is really old.
frankly speaking. i heard a lot of people talking about like: how the structure collapse, what, etc
for me, all these people are like a ENGINEER WANNABE....
i would say let the professional do their job and pray for the peoples trap inside
i hope they are safe
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written by Anan Duran, May 29, 2009
written by Anan Duran, May 29, 2009
Zuri, Ini MI is an outlet for blaming the BN etc. Here we have lives lost and there are idiots who are more concerned about politics and blaming instead of sharing eye witness accounts and constructive ideas to prevent or detect such incidents.
We cannot blame the readers entirely as this the prevalent culture now and Malaysian Insider is one of propogators of such culture with their selected writers and articles.
We cannot blame the readers entirely as this the prevalent culture now and Malaysian Insider is one of propogators of such culture with their selected writers and articles.
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written by Silly, May 29, 2009
written by Silly, May 29, 2009
The problem is that the DIY demolition mentality using unqualified demolition contractors with untrained Indonesian workers. Saving a few dollars will cause some poor workers to loose their lives. The owner of the building should be charged for negligence.
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written by bee yong, May 29, 2009
written by bee yong, May 29, 2009
A case of 'penny wise, pound foolish'. If only they have consider C4 instead of tearing brick by brick, the few lives would have been saved. Bodoh Land.
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written by longjaafar, May 29, 2009
written by longjaafar, May 29, 2009
The building was completed in the late sixties and underwent a major renovation and extension in the eighties. During the renovation, the owners went ahead with an illegal extension, and when the MPPJ stopped work and insisted that the illegal structures be demolished, the owners went to complain to the higher ups who intervened and insisted that only a small token fine be imposed. The MPPJ had to relent and allowed works to go on.
The failure of the consultants to advise their clients is a gross dereliction of professional duty, but yet the professional bodies that they belong to did nothing to haul up the consultants involved.
Now several lives have been lost and many are injured. The developer had made millions thru rental income over the years. The consultants have all earned their fees and moved on to more projects. We as a country have suffered. Influential developers are calling the shots, abetted by unprofessional consultants, staff of local authorities are being bullied and bribed by buisnessmen and politicians. When will we ever learn?
The failure of the consultants to advise their clients is a gross dereliction of professional duty, but yet the professional bodies that they belong to did nothing to haul up the consultants involved.
Now several lives have been lost and many are injured. The developer had made millions thru rental income over the years. The consultants have all earned their fees and moved on to more projects. We as a country have suffered. Influential developers are calling the shots, abetted by unprofessional consultants, staff of local authorities are being bullied and bribed by buisnessmen and politicians. When will we ever learn?
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written by UMNOBODOH, May 29, 2009
written by UMNOBODOH, May 29, 2009
"Peru bridge collapse kills 8, injures 40 children..." Huh, ini keja UMNO jugak ka?
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written by kopite, May 29, 2009
written by kopite, May 29, 2009
Rasuah or not... the fact is lives are lost. The real culprit are those in-charge always has a tidak apa attitude. Did they follow SOP? Or are there any SOP to follow? These mentalities has to change.
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written by stranger danger , May 29, 2009
written by stranger danger , May 29, 2009
it's very sedih to see how some people are commenting on this situation like they know the real deal. well at least 'baby engineer' i think you got those people sorted out i hope. (:
i was speaking to a cousin who actually worked at the site. his car is trapped down the basement with all of the other ppl who worked for this site. he freaking met his near death experience as he was at the car park when the incident took place. they are still many ppl who are stuck there, dont know if they can survive. hope they do, coz i the reports are not accurate.
he also told me that the building was not stable when they got the project, if they were to leave the building run like normal as in not tearing it down, it would've killed a lot of civilians who would probably be doing their normal shopping routine, he gave the estimate of 3-4 month. so memang bangunan ni tak stabil. plus org yang sebok want to know who is the safety officer la, engineers, please go get a life, coz not to point fingers, but the ppl who had approved to build this building a long time ago is to be blame. i'm sure somewhere down the line, ade safety report about the building, hence have to bring it down..but in this case it went down by itself and killed innocent foreign workers. haisshh..pity them to come all the way here and almost build this country up with all these fascinating skyscrapers while malaysians are too lazy to do this kind of job, but bile ade disaster, waaaa semua org la engineer, architect, safety office dan contractor.
btw, baby engineer, youre rite about the scaffolding. it can take the load and the management had every safety option sorted, i went to the site before this. it was managed well. they can only be ready for this kind of thing, but time can never tell.
i was speaking to a cousin who actually worked at the site. his car is trapped down the basement with all of the other ppl who worked for this site. he freaking met his near death experience as he was at the car park when the incident took place. they are still many ppl who are stuck there, dont know if they can survive. hope they do, coz i the reports are not accurate.
he also told me that the building was not stable when they got the project, if they were to leave the building run like normal as in not tearing it down, it would've killed a lot of civilians who would probably be doing their normal shopping routine, he gave the estimate of 3-4 month. so memang bangunan ni tak stabil. plus org yang sebok want to know who is the safety officer la, engineers, please go get a life, coz not to point fingers, but the ppl who had approved to build this building a long time ago is to be blame. i'm sure somewhere down the line, ade safety report about the building, hence have to bring it down..but in this case it went down by itself and killed innocent foreign workers. haisshh..pity them to come all the way here and almost build this country up with all these fascinating skyscrapers while malaysians are too lazy to do this kind of job, but bile ade disaster, waaaa semua org la engineer, architect, safety office dan contractor.
btw, baby engineer, youre rite about the scaffolding. it can take the load and the management had every safety option sorted, i went to the site before this. it was managed well. they can only be ready for this kind of thing, but time can never tell.
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written by Engineer, May 29, 2009
written by Engineer, May 29, 2009
The original 4-storey building was designed as a shopping complex. I wondered whether the advice of a Consulting Engineer was sought when heavy machinery were used to demolish the building! Any engineer worth his weight in salt would know that using heavy machinery would severly overload some of the components of the structure.
Also, did the Developer submit demolition plans, endorsed by a Professional Engineer, to the MBPJ before starting work? The sequence of demolition should also be carefully controlled as demolishing a main support member, without consideration of the structural intergity of the remaining structure, may also trigger a collapse.
Also, did the Developer submit demolition plans, endorsed by a Professional Engineer, to the MBPJ before starting work? The sequence of demolition should also be carefully controlled as demolishing a main support member, without consideration of the structural intergity of the remaining structure, may also trigger a collapse.
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written by Eric, May 29, 2009
written by Eric, May 29, 2009
@Jesse
1) Ambulances
I might have been wrong on the ambulances, having confused ambulances with other rescue vehicles. I stand corrected.
2) Road closure
I am not sure which roads you are talking about. The roads immediately outside the mall have indeed been blockaded, due to fear of crumbling, but that is about it. For instance, the main access roads: Jalan Utara, Kemajuan and Semangat were not at any time I was there. I referred to the article's "Police have now put a 5km security cordon around the area as ambulances rushed the injured to the nearby Universiti Hospital" which simply makes no sense. This led at least one ambulance to make a huge detour through the Federal Highway and the massive jam I talked about. This helped my confusion as to the ambulances possibly heading to other hospitals.
1) Ambulances
I might have been wrong on the ambulances, having confused ambulances with other rescue vehicles. I stand corrected.
2) Road closure
I am not sure which roads you are talking about. The roads immediately outside the mall have indeed been blockaded, due to fear of crumbling, but that is about it. For instance, the main access roads: Jalan Utara, Kemajuan and Semangat were not at any time I was there. I referred to the article's "Police have now put a 5km security cordon around the area as ambulances rushed the injured to the nearby Universiti Hospital" which simply makes no sense. This led at least one ambulance to make a huge detour through the Federal Highway and the massive jam I talked about. This helped my confusion as to the ambulances possibly heading to other hospitals.
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written by Engineer, May 29, 2009
written by Engineer, May 29, 2009
In my 35 years in the construction industry as a Consulting Engineer, I have met many "baby engineer"s. Most of them are Contractors and site supervisors who try to equate the total design load on the slab to the load of an item of machinery, and if the machinery weighs less, then it is okay. They forget about the shear stresses, punching shear and bending moments induced in the slab. Sometimes propping the slab, with metal props, can be detrimental to the safety of the structure. If it is not done properly and with heavy machinery working on top, the props can punch right through! Hence the term - punching shear. I am not suggesting that this is what happened, but we should not speculate, even if we are technically competent.
"stranger danger" says that, I quote: "he also told me that the building was not stable when they got the project". Assuming that statement were correct, why add more weight on the building with all those heavy machinery? The logical thing to do is to first stabilise the building before anything else is done. There are many ways to demolish a building and if your friend's statement were correct, then heavy machinery should not be used. You cannot blame the people "who approved to build this building a long time ago". The building has stood for more than 30 years and had served its purpose and was to make way for re-development. I don't see anything wrong with that, and please do not speculate on who is to blame. Let us wait for the report from the Engineers who will be employed to study the reasons for and circumstances leading to the collapse. In the meantime we can pray for the those who are still trapped underneath the collapsed building.
"stranger danger" says that, I quote: "he also told me that the building was not stable when they got the project". Assuming that statement were correct, why add more weight on the building with all those heavy machinery? The logical thing to do is to first stabilise the building before anything else is done. There are many ways to demolish a building and if your friend's statement were correct, then heavy machinery should not be used. You cannot blame the people "who approved to build this building a long time ago". The building has stood for more than 30 years and had served its purpose and was to make way for re-development. I don't see anything wrong with that, and please do not speculate on who is to blame. Let us wait for the report from the Engineers who will be employed to study the reasons for and circumstances leading to the collapse. In the meantime we can pray for the those who are still trapped underneath the collapsed building.
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written by one_man, May 29, 2009
written by one_man, May 29, 2009
as an engineer wannabe, I would like to ask respective people in this project...
1)If a building was applied for 6-storey building, shouldn't the piling work had 2 have a 6-storey piling work also???so if it had an extension of extra 4-storey, it also need 10-storey of piling...correct me if I'm wrong...but MPPJ during that time should had analyzed all the engineering report based on the technical reports produced by the developers...or they didn't????
2)I agree with baby engineer, the building should have enough support of the slab,but, 4 30years, did any engineer had analysis its internal structure???
3)If they had done their analysis, how about QS???did they had done any correct survey about the internal structure of the building???the correct materials are main important things to avoid any incident for long term used...
4)did the demolisher has any experience in demolished any buildings throughout Malaysia???in my opinion, each building has diff structure n it need diff technique 2 demolish it...am i rite???
BTW, I wanna wish big condolences to the victims...this should not be their fault...MACC should intervene in this case to analyze the root problems of this...
1)If a building was applied for 6-storey building, shouldn't the piling work had 2 have a 6-storey piling work also???so if it had an extension of extra 4-storey, it also need 10-storey of piling...correct me if I'm wrong...but MPPJ during that time should had analyzed all the engineering report based on the technical reports produced by the developers...or they didn't????
2)I agree with baby engineer, the building should have enough support of the slab,but, 4 30years, did any engineer had analysis its internal structure???
3)If they had done their analysis, how about QS???did they had done any correct survey about the internal structure of the building???the correct materials are main important things to avoid any incident for long term used...
4)did the demolisher has any experience in demolished any buildings throughout Malaysia???in my opinion, each building has diff structure n it need diff technique 2 demolish it...am i rite???
BTW, I wanna wish big condolences to the victims...this should not be their fault...MACC should intervene in this case to analyze the root problems of this...
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