PETALING JAYA, Aug 7 — The DAP appeared today to put the blame for its dispute with PAS in Selangor on Datuk Hassan Ali by suggesting its Pakatan Rakyat (PR) partner's state chief had acted recklessly in the interest of Umno and Barisan Nasional (BN).
"State government leaders who openly defy party and coalition discipline and work in the interest of Umno and Barisan National must be harshly reprimanded, with stern action taken to not only ensure the continued viability of the Pakatan Rakyat coalition but also to restore public confidence in Pakatan Rakyat,” said DAP publicity secretary Tony Pua today.
Pua's outburst today came after Hassan had sent the PR government into a tailspin this week by openly calling for his colleague Ronnie Liu from the DAP to be stripped of his local government portfolio.
Liu, who is already under pressure over accusations from Umno that he was allegedly involved with criminal activities, had recently ordered Majlis Bandaraya Shah Alam (MBSA) officers to return beer unlawfully seized from a convenience outlet.
Despite the fact that the Shah Alam mayor had acknowledged the seizures were unlawful, Hassan had used the seizures to call for Liu's removal and start a campaign urging the state government to ban all open sales of alcoholic beverages in "Muslim-majority" areas.
“Dr Hassan’s reckless actions, which were taken without any consultation with either the state executive council or the state Pakatan Rakyat leadership, firmly begs the question of his hidden agenda,” Pua said today.
While Pua did not directly mention it, Hassan’s involvement in secret talks last year with Umno has not contributed to warm ties with the Islamist party's PR partners.
“What I’m talking about is what everyone is talking about. Everyone knows he has ambitions,” remarked Pua.
Pua believes that the current beer fiasco in Selangor will have an adverse effect on PR's campaign for the Permatang Pasir by-election in Penang if it is allowed to drag on.
The Petaling Jaya Utara MP said he was also “perplexed” as to how ties between PAS and DAP at the state level in Selangor have soured so dramatically.
“We have an excellent relationship with PAS at the federal level, but we are completely perplexed on how things are happening in Selangor which is different from the relationship at the federal level which is almost like we are dealing with two different parties altogether,” he said.
The by-election in Permatang Pasir had been called following the death of Datuk Mohd Hamdan Abdul Rahman, 63, from a heart attack on July 31.
DAP will be handing over a recommendation letter today to the PR top leadership to set up a disciplinary committee at the next available opportunity and refer Hassan to the committee.
Pua also told reporters that PAS was free to conduct any form of campaign against the sale of beer because DAP did not have the right to tell PAS what to do.
Selangor PAS information chief Roslan Shahrir told The Malaysian Insider yesterday that it would be organising a statewide protest against the sale of beer in Muslim-majority areas.
However, Pua said he felt that PAS should hold protests which could strengthen PR rather than those which were detrimental to the coalition.
“It can be more effective if PAS holds an anti-ISA campaign throughout the entire state or anti-corruption campaign against Umno leaders, that might be more helpful to Pakatan Rakyat,” he said.
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written by ab, August 07, 2009
written by ab, August 07, 2009
did anwar say DAP is the boss??who is this 2nd class to say DAP rules..Halo get ur facts right..
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written by AgreeToDisagree, August 07, 2009
written by AgreeToDisagree, August 07, 2009
Nobody is the boss. 1st World aspirations and the Human Rights Charter are the REAL BOSS.
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written by conspiracy theorist, August 07, 2009
written by conspiracy theorist, August 07, 2009
2nd class,
good choice of nick name. second class mentality & 2nd class rationality. when are you going to demote yourself to 3rd class because i think you are closer to there
good choice of nick name. second class mentality & 2nd class rationality. when are you going to demote yourself to 3rd class because i think you are closer to there
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written by Froggie, August 07, 2009
written by Froggie, August 07, 2009
Aiya... Datuk Hassan Ali is the getting ready to frog jump only mah...!
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written by conspiracy theorist, August 07, 2009
written by conspiracy theorist, August 07, 2009
2nd class,
good choice of nick name. second class mentality & 2nd class rationality. when are you going to demote yourself to 3rd class because i think you are closer to there
good choice of nick name. second class mentality & 2nd class rationality. when are you going to demote yourself to 3rd class because i think you are closer to there
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written by foodforthought, August 07, 2009
written by foodforthought, August 07, 2009
Remember, there are no boss in PR only Anak Bangsa Malaysia for the good of Malaysia. And no racists either.
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written by ellese, August 07, 2009
written by ellese, August 07, 2009
What Hassan Ali did has nothing to do with UMNO. In PAS there are liberals and those who have stuck to the same islamic principles for decades ("PAS diehards"). The latter have been promising a creation of an islamic state for years on end. Where would their credibility go if even matters like selling alcohol by and to muslims cant be addressed in a state where PR controls. If PR governs Malaysia, where is PAS going to put its face when it cannot implement an islamic state? The PAS muktamar clearly shows that there is a huge support for the PAS diehards as opposed to the liberals say the like of Khalid Samad (which Malaysian Insider has intentionally misled us in portraying these liberals as the new face of PAS). Thus what Hassan did was not unusual in PAS (ie protecting islamic principles and institutions) and definitely has nothing to do with UMNO. If you fail to realise this, there will be further conflicts of similar nature that you will never understand.
The issue thus runs deep. PAS by joining PR will have difficulties in expounding its Islamic agenda as it will affect the PR. It has promised to its loyal grassroots for decades and indoctrinated them with the notion that once they govern the first thing that they will do is to reinstate islamic laws. They are already controlling a few states and in Perak and Selangor they have nothing to show for this. If they don't do anything, then there will be creeping realisations that PAS is not what they claim they are.
Thus PAS is going to be at the cross roads where they need to decide whether they should go all out for PR and sacrifising their principles or hold strongly to their basic tenets but sacrifising PR.
What were seeing now are skirmshes that we will encounter many times in the future between PAS diehards who want to maintain the original ideas and ideologies with groups like all of you who go for power to govern above all.
Of course theses conflicts will persists. But this has nothing to do with UMNO. Its better to realise now and take remedial steps rather than later when its too late.
The issue thus runs deep. PAS by joining PR will have difficulties in expounding its Islamic agenda as it will affect the PR. It has promised to its loyal grassroots for decades and indoctrinated them with the notion that once they govern the first thing that they will do is to reinstate islamic laws. They are already controlling a few states and in Perak and Selangor they have nothing to show for this. If they don't do anything, then there will be creeping realisations that PAS is not what they claim they are.
Thus PAS is going to be at the cross roads where they need to decide whether they should go all out for PR and sacrifising their principles or hold strongly to their basic tenets but sacrifising PR.
What were seeing now are skirmshes that we will encounter many times in the future between PAS diehards who want to maintain the original ideas and ideologies with groups like all of you who go for power to govern above all.
Of course theses conflicts will persists. But this has nothing to do with UMNO. Its better to realise now and take remedial steps rather than later when its too late.
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written by Somebody, August 07, 2009
written by Somebody, August 07, 2009
Habis Lah,
What can DAP do when BEnd keep hampering them with MACC and the likes of Hassan being a chicken without a head running around the pakatan creating chaos? If I were them, I will of course attack BEnd or else this endless interference will just cause more headache to the state administration and the public as well cause for one thing UMNo keep thinking the rakyat are born yesterday. Extract from UMno favorite phrase "If you don't like MI comments, go Utusan" and live like a frog in a well.
What can DAP do when BEnd keep hampering them with MACC and the likes of Hassan being a chicken without a head running around the pakatan creating chaos? If I were them, I will of course attack BEnd or else this endless interference will just cause more headache to the state administration and the public as well cause for one thing UMNo keep thinking the rakyat are born yesterday. Extract from UMno favorite phrase "If you don't like MI comments, go Utusan" and live like a frog in a well.
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written by kajang ah fook, August 07, 2009
written by kajang ah fook, August 07, 2009
"it can be more effective if PAS holds an anti-ISA campaign throughout the entire state or anti-corrutption campaign against Umno leaders, that might be more helpful to Pakatan". I agree with you Tony.
Why pick on such trivial matter as the golden drink, a simple pleasure for some (not all) while there are a host of other more important issues to talk about? Isn't it more meaningful to talk about more relevant issues like the economy, crime, corruption, education, productivity etc that should unite us as one in these challenging times?
Put aside needless argument. PR leaders must work together to formulate a blue print of priorities for the electorates to decide whether or not to continue to support the coalition.
Why pick on such trivial matter as the golden drink, a simple pleasure for some (not all) while there are a host of other more important issues to talk about? Isn't it more meaningful to talk about more relevant issues like the economy, crime, corruption, education, productivity etc that should unite us as one in these challenging times?
Put aside needless argument. PR leaders must work together to formulate a blue print of priorities for the electorates to decide whether or not to continue to support the coalition.
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written by Elves, August 07, 2009
written by Elves, August 07, 2009
If beer cannot sell in Shah Alam ah,then Carlsberg an anchor guinness have to close factory in Shah Alam la?
Halo Dr, if you cannot control the urge,then it is yourself to blame don't blame others for your week mind. Why all adults always blame others instead to admit their own mistake?
Another dumb dumb in the PR camp.
Halo Dr, if you cannot control the urge,then it is yourself to blame don't blame others for your week mind. Why all adults always blame others instead to admit their own mistake?
Another dumb dumb in the PR camp.
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written by wira, August 07, 2009
written by wira, August 07, 2009
Actually DAP is having a splendid relationship with the erdogan faction.
That is a fact which cannot be denied.
That is a fact which cannot be denied.
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written by HJ Angus, August 07, 2009
written by HJ Angus, August 07, 2009
Elves has a good point about the breweries.
Does that mean Muslims cannot work in such places as alcohol is banned?
Now if we look further into the banning exercise, by extension the people who work in these areas too are prohibited:
1.Transport companies who truck the beer
2.Bottle companies who supply the containers
3.Water supply companies who support the operations
4.LLN that provides electricity to the plant.
Does that not look quite absurd? The control of one's sins and weakness is ultimately one's own will power and practice of denial. No wonder the BN has been able to control the masses for so long. They have not been given the chance to develop will their power.
Does that mean Muslims cannot work in such places as alcohol is banned?
Now if we look further into the banning exercise, by extension the people who work in these areas too are prohibited:
1.Transport companies who truck the beer
2.Bottle companies who supply the containers
3.Water supply companies who support the operations
4.LLN that provides electricity to the plant.
Does that not look quite absurd? The control of one's sins and weakness is ultimately one's own will power and practice of denial. No wonder the BN has been able to control the masses for so long. They have not been given the chance to develop will their power.
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written by SHEIKH-ALWI, August 07, 2009
written by SHEIKH-ALWI, August 07, 2009
if beer only can sell at chinese restaurant or pub, who actually can get benefit.
if to many place sell beer easily, it is very hard to employ so many officer to take action to muslim which break the syariah law.
Ronnie just doing his job, Khalid as a CM need to be wise..Hassan Ali too emotion.
sit together and discuss. no need to provoke the issues.
its just a couple of day. lets them judge not us.
give them some space to setle down the problem.
if people like us do judgement, this country won't peace.
if we act like lawmaker, we need to know law.
if we do mistake, we say sorry.
if we always said we always right, better join BN.
misunderstanding always happened when there is to much pressure from supporter.
so if we know that diplomacy is the best way..why not wait and see.
if to many place sell beer easily, it is very hard to employ so many officer to take action to muslim which break the syariah law.
Ronnie just doing his job, Khalid as a CM need to be wise..Hassan Ali too emotion.
sit together and discuss. no need to provoke the issues.
its just a couple of day. lets them judge not us.
give them some space to setle down the problem.
if people like us do judgement, this country won't peace.
if we act like lawmaker, we need to know law.
if we do mistake, we say sorry.
if we always said we always right, better join BN.
misunderstanding always happened when there is to much pressure from supporter.
so if we know that diplomacy is the best way..why not wait and see.
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written by Vince, August 07, 2009
written by Vince, August 07, 2009
This guy is quite obviously a goon of UMNO/BN under the guise of PAS.
It is also quite obvious that UMNO/BN is creating problems for the PR when no such problems exists!
We should not be surprised by such moves as there is nothing that UMNO/BN wouldn't do to regain power.
I'm sure you all know what it is to be ruled by them, don't you?
We have five decades and more of such decadent rule!
It is also quite obvious that UMNO/BN is creating problems for the PR when no such problems exists!
We should not be surprised by such moves as there is nothing that UMNO/BN wouldn't do to regain power.
I'm sure you all know what it is to be ruled by them, don't you?
We have five decades and more of such decadent rule!
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written by TaBolehTahanLagi, August 07, 2009
written by TaBolehTahanLagi, August 07, 2009
Someone, somewhere along the line been bought or tempted by the devil UMNO. Come to your senses !
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written by HaHa, August 07, 2009
written by HaHa, August 07, 2009
I think such rules are going too far. Does this means that muslims who subscribe to such a practice of prohibiting beer sales openly in their majority areas not set foot in other areas of the country selling beer? And that they will refuse to visit any country selling beer? Or is this a shiok sendiri law?
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written by mike, August 07, 2009
written by mike, August 07, 2009
I agreed ban on beer but openly calling for his colleague Ronnie Liu from the DAP to be stripped of his local government portfolio is just too much which is only trying to destroy pakatan. Why not include ban on smoking, ban on beef for hindu, ban on pork for muslim,
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written by mike, August 07, 2009
written by mike, August 07, 2009
I agreed ban on beer but openly calling for his colleague Ronnie Liu from the DAP to be stripped of his local government portfolio is just too much which is only trying to destroy pakatan. Why not include ban on smoking, ban on beef for hindu, ban on pork for muslim, You can't force others . only way put 'muslim not allow to buy beer'
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written by stanleyteoh, August 07, 2009
written by stanleyteoh, August 07, 2009
Are you all blind ??!!
This is BN at work !! Law or NO law, create a situation so PR is turned topsy turvy !
BN is like a spider spinning its web - get caught in it and you are dead !!
This is BN at work !! Law or NO law, create a situation so PR is turned topsy turvy !
BN is like a spider spinning its web - get caught in it and you are dead !!
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written by Melayu UK, August 07, 2009
written by Melayu UK, August 07, 2009
Don't get me wrong..I'm all for the PR..the lesser of the two evils..however like it or not recent events happening in Kedah and now Penang and Selangor prompt me to reflect...I may be wrong but growing public perception is that DAP is THE kingmaker in PR and PKR and PAS somehow have to 'mengalah'. Based on my observation (again I may be wrong but this is what I can see as a public perception esp among the malays) so far the disputes will only be solved if it favours DAP. This is not what a coalition is all about.
At the rate the coalition is unravelling, I don't see PR to win big time in GE13 (I wish I will be wrong again). Like it or not the malays have become tired of politicing and when they become tired they will go back to status-quo i.e UMNO/BN. While I will definitely vote for PR come next GE, I may have to give a thinker if it is a DAP candidate. As at now, my conscious is not clear....
At the rate the coalition is unravelling, I don't see PR to win big time in GE13 (I wish I will be wrong again). Like it or not the malays have become tired of politicing and when they become tired they will go back to status-quo i.e UMNO/BN. While I will definitely vote for PR come next GE, I may have to give a thinker if it is a DAP candidate. As at now, my conscious is not clear....
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written by Semuaok, August 07, 2009
written by Semuaok, August 07, 2009
Enlightenment from Datuk Hassan Ali. To be a good Muslim/Islam. We aggravate non-Muslim and make them comply to Islam. Very enlightening.
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written by Eedgewhey, August 07, 2009
written by Eedgewhey, August 07, 2009
Malays are not so keen to drink beer lah but they just love to have sex.
Hassan, based on your logic, I could say people might think of sex when they see condoms and 7-11 stores sell condoms openly. So why don't you just propose the gov to ban selling of condoms openly?
Hassan, based on your logic, I could say people might think of sex when they see condoms and 7-11 stores sell condoms openly. So why don't you just propose the gov to ban selling of condoms openly?
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written by Anak Malaysia, August 08, 2009
written by Anak Malaysia, August 08, 2009
Hello Melayu Uk. I don't blame u for thinking that the DAP is now 'dominating' PR. This is what UMNO psy-war department is trying to do - make the Malay suppporters of PR (and Malay fence sitters) feel that voting PR means supporting a DAP dominant government. See how they have been spinning about Perak PR being dominated by DAP's Ngor and Ngeh and now, Selangor government by Ronnie Liu and Teresa Kok. Very clever psy-war tactics on the not so sophisticated voters or supporters. However, use your brain lah. In Perak, Nizar is a foreign trained professional engineer with intelligience probably higher than quite a number of DAP members and in Selangor, Khalid as MB is probably much more experienced than any DAP sitting members. U think Nizar and Khalid are fools and can be led by the nose by the DAP guys, many of whom are just starting to learn the political ropes of governing ? Even DAP CM in Penang, despite his long experience in politics still seems quite amateurish in government and administration. However, the good thing about these people are that they are very keen, clean and sincere people wanting to do things fast, sometimes without much tack ( not enough pulic relations). That I think is their fault and this has been exploited by UMNO to frighten the Malays. Don't worry too much my friend - no way can the DAP dominate the Pakatan. They will be easily checkmated by PKR and PAS (if the present structure remains). So don't fall for UMNO propaganda.
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written by Durian Besar, August 08, 2009
written by Durian Besar, August 08, 2009
UMNO make mischief, seggregate then rule
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UMNO will try everything, take every chance to make mischief in their opponents.
1) They make mischief within PAS, between Tuan Guru Nik Aziz and some restless but inexperienced PAS members, cook up what insincere "Unity talks" and "Unite & rule" deceit, with aim to weaken PAS, they biggest rival and threat.
2) UMNO make mischief amongst Pakatan alliance, PAS, Keadilan, DAP. When they talk to PAS, they say DAP is the boss, sometimes they say Keadilan is the boss. Actually UMNO thenselves want to be the boss of the country so they could continue exploiting the rakyat.
3) UMNO make mischief amongst Malaysians, spreading vicious racism amongst the people.
Don't fall for it.
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UMNO will try everything, take every chance to make mischief in their opponents.
1) They make mischief within PAS, between Tuan Guru Nik Aziz and some restless but inexperienced PAS members, cook up what insincere "Unity talks" and "Unite & rule" deceit, with aim to weaken PAS, they biggest rival and threat.
2) UMNO make mischief amongst Pakatan alliance, PAS, Keadilan, DAP. When they talk to PAS, they say DAP is the boss, sometimes they say Keadilan is the boss. Actually UMNO thenselves want to be the boss of the country so they could continue exploiting the rakyat.
3) UMNO make mischief amongst Malaysians, spreading vicious racism amongst the people.
Don't fall for it.
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written by fairplay, August 08, 2009
written by fairplay, August 08, 2009
Ban the beer, period! Do we need beer to survive? This is totally nonsense if someone say so! Those who support the BAN, please vote for me :)
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written by Boleh Land, August 08, 2009
written by Boleh Land, August 08, 2009
I totally agree with Melayu UK.. Seems that DAP is more powerful than the other two PR members. Let's make comparison between the cases in Kedah n Selangor. Thomas Su as DAP Kedah /Perlis Chief announced their withdrawal from Kedah PR and their only assemblyman in the state publicly declared independent as a protest on the Kedah State Government's move in demolishing the pig abattoir.. Both Thomas Su n Lee Guan Aik prefer to settle their problem through the press without negotiation with their PR colleagues or even within the DAP itself. Similarly, in Selangor, the Dr.Hassan of PAS was trying to distance Muslims from beer by asking the MB to review the holder of local government portfolio who allegedly interfering the MBSA's enforcement process.. In Kedah, nobody claimed that Thomas n Lee as MCA or Gerakan bigots.. but in Selangor many people claim Hassan as an UMNO goon and etc. DAP in Kedah threaten the Sate Government to withdraw from the coalition (although they know in Kedah, they are nobody as there can still be a PR Government without DAP support) - just to wrest their muscle I guess.., but in Selangor no PAS leaders said they are pulling out from the coalition (compared to DAP in Kedah, PAS Selangor is more powerful as without them there will be no PR government in Selangor).. so the degree of the threat by PAS in Selangor is lesser as compared to DAP's.. Tony Pua should have also advised his man in Kedah to settle the disputes through consultation and not to the press as what he advised to Hassan Ali.. I never see any tough quarrel between PAS-PKR but DAP is quarreling with both PAS n PKR in Kedah, Penang and Selangor.. thank God no DAP representative in Kelantan Gov.. even the Chinese in PKR never cause any trouble to PAS so far.. seems that it is not a problem with Chinese but the DAP itself.. DAP is thinking they are the de-facto boss in PR.. Pls DAP, PAS n PKR.. think wise, act wise and improve the already popular coalition.. rakyat sedang memerhati cara anda memerintah utk dibandingkan dengan cara UMNO/BN.. dorg bagi 4-5 negeri dulu utk test market.. kalu lulua baru dorg bagi 1 Malaysia i.e Fed Gov.. please be serious in winning the hearts of rakyat..
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written by AgreeToDisagree, August 08, 2009
written by AgreeToDisagree, August 08, 2009
How about making sure that non-alcoholic beer is widely available alongside alcoholic beers instead? Also Stocking alcohol in a Muslim dominant area for sale to non-Muslims is not mentioned or prohibited in Islam. Confiscate or penalise only when the shop has sold to Muslims.
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written by nawawimohamad, August 08, 2009
written by nawawimohamad, August 08, 2009
Besides having a more stringent regulation which I am sure many people agree the public should also be persuaded not to consume alcoholic drinks.
PAS should organise a campaign to remind the people both Muslims and non-Muslim on the negative effects of alcohol in a person, the family and society. Persuade them not to buy and drink. It is like the anti cigarette campaign. It should be a continuous effort and not a once in a blue moon like catching the Muslims buying the 4 digit.
We are living in a very different society and people are going away from their conservative life style. They should be reminded of the good conservative values.
The US may not be a failed state like Afghanistan but the USA is definitelt a failed society. I hope Malaysia will not be a failed society.
PAS should organise a campaign to remind the people both Muslims and non-Muslim on the negative effects of alcohol in a person, the family and society. Persuade them not to buy and drink. It is like the anti cigarette campaign. It should be a continuous effort and not a once in a blue moon like catching the Muslims buying the 4 digit.
We are living in a very different society and people are going away from their conservative life style. They should be reminded of the good conservative values.
The US may not be a failed state like Afghanistan but the USA is definitelt a failed society. I hope Malaysia will not be a failed society.
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written by matdanPAS, August 08, 2009
written by matdanPAS, August 08, 2009
Pua said.. “It can be more effective if PAS holds an anti-ISA campaign throughout the entire state or anti-corruption campaign against Umno leaders, that might be more helpful to Pakatan Rakyat,” he said.
You have been dreaming la Pua…..where are you on 1st. Aug anti ISA demo…as a participant I dare to say more than 80% of the participants are from PAS…ohh for event like this you all see PAS and wants PAS to lead, for matters involved “administration” you put PAS aside…
Again to say what have Dr. Hassan did has nothing to do with UMNO…..far away from jumping ship like those DAP and PKR goons in Perak….I ensure you that this will NOT happened in PAS. What was Dr. Hassan doing is to follow the Islamic rules and also the demand from the Muslims in Selangor….for me Yes Dr. Hassan go ON.
Ellese you are correct, yeah maybe there is a “cross roads” situation but PAS in state and national level are trying their best to serve both worlds, Muslims and non Muslims.
Mike said…”Why not include ban on smoking, ban on beef for Hindu, ban on pork for Muslim, You can't force others. only way put 'Muslim not allow to buy beer'”
…..why we need to ban any thing related to non Muslim…the Islamic law is only for Muslims!!!…why must you bring up this issue…you are creating confusion to others as what UMNO did for more than 50 years.
You have been dreaming la Pua…..where are you on 1st. Aug anti ISA demo…as a participant I dare to say more than 80% of the participants are from PAS…ohh for event like this you all see PAS and wants PAS to lead, for matters involved “administration” you put PAS aside…
Again to say what have Dr. Hassan did has nothing to do with UMNO…..far away from jumping ship like those DAP and PKR goons in Perak….I ensure you that this will NOT happened in PAS. What was Dr. Hassan doing is to follow the Islamic rules and also the demand from the Muslims in Selangor….for me Yes Dr. Hassan go ON.
Ellese you are correct, yeah maybe there is a “cross roads” situation but PAS in state and national level are trying their best to serve both worlds, Muslims and non Muslims.
Mike said…”Why not include ban on smoking, ban on beef for Hindu, ban on pork for Muslim, You can't force others. only way put 'Muslim not allow to buy beer'”
…..why we need to ban any thing related to non Muslim…the Islamic law is only for Muslims!!!…why must you bring up this issue…you are creating confusion to others as what UMNO did for more than 50 years.
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written by Mike Taib, August 08, 2009
written by Mike Taib, August 08, 2009
When DSAI was MOF, he introduced the heavy sin taxes against beers and liquor. He made the Armed Forces go dry. He was hated by the Forces and even today there is residual dislike for him. Alcoholic drinks are expensive. They are a luxury for those who have spare cash. Malays, by and large, do not drink alcoholic drinks. Go to the Royal Selangor Club, Bt. Kiara and you will see no Malays at the Bar. The RSC is, as it were, a South Indian toddy shop. When the ambitious maverick, Hassan Ali, says that he wants to control beers for the Malays, he is indulging like DSAI as MOF in talking to the bigoted gallery of the Malay herd. Hassan has done no homework and he shoots from the hip like the chief frog - Ibrahim Ali. Young Malays, e.g Mat Rempits, cannot afford to buy beers. Most of them, if they wish to get high, buy the cheap illegally and legally produced hooch sold in small bottles below RM 5.00, for instance, Chap Sahib brandy. They mix the hooch with coke and other soft drinks. This horror does them great harm. The Chap Langkow in Sarawak does terrible harm to the natives. The whole Hassan's kerfuffle was an outstanding exaggeration typical of the man - an UMNO Trojan Horse.
The biggest problem with alcoholic drinking in Malaysia is with the South Indians, in particular the lowly workers. This is the priority for regulation and solution. Keep them away from samsu and the like.
Beer and stout have always been the drnks of the working class and sportsmen. The right thing to do is to reduce the costs of these two items to keep drinkers away from the pernicious hooch.
My family and I will never vote PR ever again until the BS champ and conman, Hassan Ali, is removed from PAS.
The biggest problem with alcoholic drinking in Malaysia is with the South Indians, in particular the lowly workers. This is the priority for regulation and solution. Keep them away from samsu and the like.
Beer and stout have always been the drnks of the working class and sportsmen. The right thing to do is to reduce the costs of these two items to keep drinkers away from the pernicious hooch.
My family and I will never vote PR ever again until the BS champ and conman, Hassan Ali, is removed from PAS.
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written by Johan Malaysia, August 08, 2009
written by Johan Malaysia, August 08, 2009
Melayu UK & Boleh Land,
I do not think the issue here is who is more controlling and powerful than who in the government. I think the issue is about upholding justice, respecting differences and other’s rights.
I am a non-drinker and non-smoker, I believe that liquor and smoking can corrupt one’s mind and body. So, I will not let any beer or cigarette smoking appears in my home and my office, where I am the boss and need to maintain a clean working environment and ensure fresh mind while working for all staffs. But I don’t think I should demand the banning of selling of liquor or tobacco in my neighbourhood or near my office. I have to respect other person rights to access to liquor and tobacco in their free time and if they do not mind the effects of liquor and tobacco. I should not even sacrifice their time and costs to travel far to access to those items, if there are shop-owners willing to sell those items. The shop-owners have their rights to sell it, so far as they do not sell it to juniors and Muslims.
Certainly I will not let them to force me to drink or breathe in their second-hand smoke. I would demands for banning of smoking in public area and in public facilities. Because smoking in public area will jeopardise the non-smokers’ rights to avoid breathe in the tobacco smoke, as they also have the rights and needs to access to public area and facilities. And support a more stringent enforcement against driving after drinking, as drive after drunk will jeopardise their live and other’s live and properties.
But I cannot demand that privately-own restaurant for not serving liquor or not allowing their customers to smoke there. If the restaurant does not have a non-smoking area, I have the rights to not patronage that restaurant. I can still eat at a restaurant that may serve liquor, important is that I do not order any liquor. If the table beside me is drinking, I will not be affected. By seeing someone drinking is neither a sin nor this will tempt me to drink. It is not like smoking, the smoke may come to my table and I can’t just hold my breath.
We must distinguish between personal or religious preferences, from public rights and legality.
I do not think the issue here is who is more controlling and powerful than who in the government. I think the issue is about upholding justice, respecting differences and other’s rights.
I am a non-drinker and non-smoker, I believe that liquor and smoking can corrupt one’s mind and body. So, I will not let any beer or cigarette smoking appears in my home and my office, where I am the boss and need to maintain a clean working environment and ensure fresh mind while working for all staffs. But I don’t think I should demand the banning of selling of liquor or tobacco in my neighbourhood or near my office. I have to respect other person rights to access to liquor and tobacco in their free time and if they do not mind the effects of liquor and tobacco. I should not even sacrifice their time and costs to travel far to access to those items, if there are shop-owners willing to sell those items. The shop-owners have their rights to sell it, so far as they do not sell it to juniors and Muslims.
Certainly I will not let them to force me to drink or breathe in their second-hand smoke. I would demands for banning of smoking in public area and in public facilities. Because smoking in public area will jeopardise the non-smokers’ rights to avoid breathe in the tobacco smoke, as they also have the rights and needs to access to public area and facilities. And support a more stringent enforcement against driving after drinking, as drive after drunk will jeopardise their live and other’s live and properties.
But I cannot demand that privately-own restaurant for not serving liquor or not allowing their customers to smoke there. If the restaurant does not have a non-smoking area, I have the rights to not patronage that restaurant. I can still eat at a restaurant that may serve liquor, important is that I do not order any liquor. If the table beside me is drinking, I will not be affected. By seeing someone drinking is neither a sin nor this will tempt me to drink. It is not like smoking, the smoke may come to my table and I can’t just hold my breath.
We must distinguish between personal or religious preferences, from public rights and legality.
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written by bing, August 08, 2009
written by bing, August 08, 2009
PAS dah mula makan umpan UMNO lah......! Hassan mata kail nya....
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written by bob, August 09, 2009
there are 'bah kut teh' shops in kota baru. does the muslims there patron those outlets? i doubt it.
likewise when i walk into a shop selling cigarettes. do i buy them? no, as i don't smoke. there are also signs that it is an offense to sell cigarettes to minors.
let the muslims control themselves. if their faith is strong then they will not buy beer.
the matter is simple but like most things in this country, politicalised. we have more important issues like how are we going to compete with the world, etc
nuff said
written by bob, August 09, 2009
there are 'bah kut teh' shops in kota baru. does the muslims there patron those outlets? i doubt it.
likewise when i walk into a shop selling cigarettes. do i buy them? no, as i don't smoke. there are also signs that it is an offense to sell cigarettes to minors.
let the muslims control themselves. if their faith is strong then they will not buy beer.
the matter is simple but like most things in this country, politicalised. we have more important issues like how are we going to compete with the world, etc
nuff said
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written by anakmalaysia, August 11, 2009
written by anakmalaysia, August 11, 2009
All the UMNO machinery are running full steams to created racial hatred among the Muslim communities against DAP. Coupled with some internal BN's moles in the PR, these people starts to create troubles for all PR states in the coming months.
So be extra careful and keep an open clear mind in evaluating their moves, it just like a chess game.
Only people without a clear conscience will succumbs to this BN's tactics and dump PR.
So be extra careful and keep an open clear mind in evaluating their moves, it just like a chess game.
Only people without a clear conscience will succumbs to this BN's tactics and dump PR.
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