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By Leslie Lau and Neville SpykermanKUALA LUMPUR, Aug 24 — Mosque committee members such as the imam and the bilal will be given powers to arrest Muslims drinking alcohol in public, in a move that highlights the fundamentalist face of PAS and could scare off non-Muslim voters from backing the Pakatan Rakyat (PR).
Selangor executive councilor in charge of religion Hassan Ali, who has been locked in controversy over his views on the open sale of beer in convenience stores, made the announcement today.
He also said that the mosque committee members would be allowed to arrest Muslims for selling and storing alcoholic beverages.
Such a ruling could result in many Malay-Muslims losing their jobs in restaurants and hotels in the state.
It is also likely to have consequences for many businesses in the state, and could drive non-Muslim voters who have been strong supporters of the PR alliance to Barisan Nasional (BN).
Hassan also said that the mosque committee members would be given wide ranging powers to also help in the arrest of Muslims for being “disrespectful during the Ramadan month”.
The new ruling suggests a push for a culture of intolerance reminiscent of attempts made by both Terengganu and Federal Territory religious officials to set up snoop squads to report on “immoral activities” a few years ago.
It also comes at a time when controversy continues to brew over the recent whipping sentence imposed on Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno for drinking beer in public.
Kartika was to have been sent to Kajang prison today to be whipped but it has been postponed till after the fasting month.
Hassan was also recently embroiled in controversy after he lashed out at fellow executive council member Ronnie Liu for stopping the illegal seizure of beer by local enforcement officers from a convenience store in Shah Alam.
The state PAS commissioner appears to be trying now to circumvent the law which does not allow local councils to enforce religious rulings by giving the power of arrest to mosque committees.
But such civilian religious vigilante squads are not likely to be well received by the public.
State government religious department officers are already empowered to enforce Islamic enactments.
Hassan Ali said these religious officials would be briefed and given training in stages in order to enforce the state religious law.
Speaking at the Sultan Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Shah Mosque, Hassan said many youths in luxury cars had been killed because of drink driving.
The Selangor Islamic Affair executive councillor stressed the enforcement would only involve Muslims and would not interfere with the rights of non-Muslims to drink and buy alcohol.
However, his assurances are unlikely to assure non-Muslims, already weary of his increasing hard line position and his last attempt to ban the sale of beers in Muslim majority areas.
A PR politician who spoke on condition of anonymity said today’s move would further dilute the goodwill non-Muslims have extended to PAS.
“I would not be surprise if non-Muslims in Permatang Pasir vote against PAS during the by-election tomorrow.”
Hassan said Muslim caught drinking in shops or in public places could face a fine of RM3,000, two years imprisonment or both.
Muslims who sell or offer to sell, display or keep alcohol could be fined RM5,000, face three years imprisonment or both.
However, state assistant Syariah legal advisor Mohamed Fouzi Mokhtar today said the power of arrest for religious officials are limited and unlike police powers.
He cautioned that religious officials could not detain suspects for 24 hours but must hand them over to police and must lodge a report if force is used during the arrest, to avoid being sued.
“Any arrest must be according to procedure to avoid any legal liability because religious officials also risk being sued in their personal capacity.”
Mohamed Fouzi was speaking after briefing 1,000 religious officials.
He said they were also empowered to take action against 24-hour convenience stores which sell alcohol under the same enactment.
For the offence of not respecting Ramadan, he said religious officials could not arrest Muslims not observing the fast unless they refuse to give their particulars or cooperate.
Muslims can be fined RM2,000, face one year imprisonment or both if they are caught eating, drinking or smoking during Ramadan.

written by scary, August 24, 2009
written by Emir, August 24, 2009
written by Azmi, August 24, 2009
If nonmuslim really respect Islam they should not allow muslim who disrespect themselves from doing something against their religion.Nonmuslim should not sell liquor to muslim.Very simple.
Please understand Islam from the true muslim not from the muslim who drinks beer.
written by Mohd Ridhuan, August 24, 2009
So, what's the big deal?
Nothing to do with non muslim.
written by lengcai, August 24, 2009
written by rakyat, August 24, 2009
written by Boleh Land, August 24, 2009
written by bob, August 24, 2009
written by extreme prejudice, August 24, 2009
written by Rakyat, August 24, 2009
written by jijot ni, August 24, 2009
written by Vikraman, August 24, 2009
written by novice101, August 24, 2009
Does Anwar has the gumption to get rid off such pests?
written by ajajal, August 24, 2009
written by sam, August 24, 2009
written by zik, August 24, 2009
written by soondar, August 24, 2009
And then, you say "By setting up his own religious police, Hassan has, however, not made it clear what kind of powers they would have to enter businesses owned by non-Muslims".
I thought the other day semua orang sudah setuju to self-regulation which means that alcohol-based dinks will not be sold to muslims and minors.
Kalau macam itu, where got muslims who can buy alcohol-based drinks from non-muslim businesses?
written by crazytales, August 24, 2009
written by whatsayyou, August 24, 2009
written by ivan lkc, August 24, 2009
written by Robert, August 24, 2009
Look at what progress has the Talibans make? Religion is a personal issue and if a person is not too Muslim enough, that is his problem and he deal with Allah after leaving Earth. But Hassan Ali is no Allah!
I've got friends from the Saudi and guess what they do when they are out of their country? They visit strip clubs and drink boos. Here we got people from the center of Mecca with very strict religious rules but it does not produce better Muslims.
written by dave, August 24, 2009
written by Duduk Atas Pagar, August 24, 2009
Vote for PAS means for PAST
written by jtan, August 24, 2009
written by Malaysian, August 24, 2009
Khalid should plan for dissolving the state assembly and held the state election again to flush away all the Hassan Ali, Badrul, Toyo rubbish once and for all.
DITTO!
But keeping that sniveling rat Toyol away from a fresh election would prove to be quite a challenge. As rats are such, even in human form. They squirm & wriggle themselves out of Almost any situation they're in but they will be reigned-in. If common sense prevails but.. then again;
does common sense exist anymore in our beloved Malaysia? not from where we stand ...
written by a moderate one', August 24, 2009
written by Jamal Khalid, August 24, 2009
We are merely saying that there must be strong enforcement for Muslim on important matters like alcohol.
This self-regulation rubbish that the DAP stooge, Khalid Ibrahim, proposes is rubbish because there are many that are lured to drink beer, wine, liquor, etc. That's why the Muslims must monitor their own people and make sure there is no consumption and selling of alcohol by Muslims.
i hope all of you non-Muslims, especially DAP-lovers who hate Islam will stay out of this debate. Otherwise there will be serious repercussions.
written by Alan Goh, August 24, 2009
Ceras,I dont care two hoots about them,for the simple reasons that this
party is good only for small time politics and suitable for rural areas.
Look what happened when you vote for PAS this time round,they want to
be more islamic than the middle east countries.After the beer issue,this
clown Hassan Ali will introduce the no holding hands by couple in public,
male and female seperate queing lanes in hypermarket etc.What is all this
nonsense when Selangor does not have this problem for the past 52 yrs.
Give PAS a bit of support and recognition,this is what happened.
Hassan Ali,Malaysia is a multi racial society lah,muslims can choose not to
drink beer,dont tell me that spiritually,you see muslims so weak as being
unable to control their urge..Pakatan RAkyat,if you want to hold on to power
in Selangor,it is time to put on lease this self-proclaimed saviour.
written by Yong Chee Keong, August 24, 2009
written by dragonfly, August 24, 2009
written by kenu, August 24, 2009
written by chew-kwee, August 24, 2009
written by Littlebird, August 24, 2009
written by noname, August 24, 2009
written by Irfan Mohd Nor, August 24, 2009
BTW, yes chinese and indians did vote for PAS, but so do malay muslims.
They enforce this for the good of malays.
They do not enforce this to non-muslims due to high respect to non-muslims.
written by Annuar, August 24, 2009
Yea.. Jus because u're a Muslim, doesn't mean you understand Islam. Duh!! So if u're a Muslim, you think you can do what you want?! Of course not. Learn up your religion smarty pants! Yes, no doubt when you have reached puberty, it is your responsibility upon your actions but it is also the responsibility of a fellow Muslim to uphold the truth (i.e. advice or coerce, to some extent). Same goes for a leader, it is his/her responsibility to do what he/she MUST do. This is not a choice! It's a (say it together now..) RESPONSIBILITY!! Get it engraved in your brain.
Next, the non-Muslim needs to understand that this only involves the Muslim. So, if a Muslim happens to be in a table with non-Muslims and a pitcher of beer on the table, does it imply the Muslim is having the beer?
Haih, with day and age of technology.. and may I add 21st century, I'm sure they have contraptions to detect? You think these authorities kuno sgt ke?! Guna tasbih nak detect orang minum arak? Come on... I'm sure we are wise enough to think logically.
So, I see no problem in this issue. I believe this should be enforced and I won't be surprise that your hotspots won't be the Jalan Doraisamy or Sultan Ismail. I think it would be more places like the urban poor areas, your neighbourhood snooker centres and what nots as these are places where it is quite rampant and matters.
written by mac, August 24, 2009
why are we facing this problems(minum beer, dadah, mat rempit and ragut) with muslim youth?
Answer: because Islamic Religious Authorities only know how to tangkap khalwat, looking at maksiat places e.g night clubs, lounges, non-muslim restaurants etc.
Religious only "catch" summon to court, fine or jail...and no further action because they are not interested to go further...
This Hassan Ali is another goon who is a political ambitious person that only think of his "tembolok". He will do anything ....even "working" with UMNO(he didn't realize that UMNO is using him..) to achieve his tembolok's goals
what they fail to do is to provide religious guidences, educations, tarbiyah etc to the muslim community. Parents are also to blame because they failed to "check" their children religious education and observe Islamic practices.
In Islam, educate first than only take action. If you fail to educate...this is the problem that you have start with.....
Do you think this goon Hassan Ali is sincere for doing this?...i don't think so...
written by John Lee, August 24, 2009
written by Lesley, August 24, 2009
written by suri, August 24, 2009
written by what?, August 24, 2009
Upholding Unity, Integrity & Human Rights
Living in the 21st century requires a 21st century government. "
(http://www.keadilanrakyat.org/index.php/content/view/539/#A Constitutional State)
If this proposal of Hassan gets approved, PKR's manifesto will be the joke of the year.
written by zik, August 24, 2009
written by Robert Lee, August 24, 2009
written by rini, August 24, 2009
PAS should concentrate how to improve and enrich the Malays and Muslim in general and at same time to adhere to Allah's teaching. Not going around nabbing those Fraction of a Percent offenders. Very Stupid !!
written by CW Wong, August 24, 2009
written by trublumalaysian, August 24, 2009
Controlled religion... created by UMNO for their own benefit by instilling mass-paranoia amongst their masses ...
Bahhh humbug...... Let's move on...
written by terence, August 24, 2009
Do you really think imams and bilals gonna go around catching ppl selling beer? Those drinking in public must be extra careful la but those working in establishments selling alcohol need not worry. Common sense will prevail.
Beer is the cause and solution to all of life's problems - Homer J. Simpson
written by kl_boy, August 25, 2009
written by Siti Kasim, August 25, 2009
Why are you trying to shut the non-Muslims from giving their opinion? It is their right to say what they want to say.... As far as I can see, the non-Muslims are the one who have been extremely tolerant towards the Malays/Muslims. Do you think by being rude and brash you can get your message through? I am deeply ashamed to read some of the comments here made against non Muslims/Malays. Fear not my fellow Malaysians, whether you are Malays, Chinese, Indians or whatever race you are, there are many Malays who concur with what you all have been saying here...
I just want to pose a question to these control freak Malays/Muslims in which they think alcohol bring bad news to the Muslims. Many non-Muslim countries provide alcohol at nearly every corner of their streets. Sure, there are problems with lager louts and so do we with our Mat Rempits in which many are Malays... but these alcohol ridden countries are developing faster and better than the "Muslim" countries.... I wonder why? How is it these non-Muslim countries where majority of their citizens drink alcohol like they drink water nearly every day can be successful? Pray tell me.
We must send a strong signal to these religious zealots who think they can control other people's life in what they can eat and drink that such practices will not be accepted. Our freedom is at stake here. How can some one tell us what is right and wrong for us. Who are these people to define what is morality. It is an attack on the rights promised by our constitution. It is a clear human rights violation.
Who gives the moral police the right to police? Too many of us, through our sins of omission and commission. When the captains of industry cosy up to a champion of ethnic cleansing, when a leading television news channel gives an award to a staunch defender of the politics of hate, one begins to understand how deep and pervasive the rot is.
The normalisation of hate politics, the selective amnesia of the middle class — all these add up to strengthening the power of the moral police.
If these people were given a free hand, eventually they will also bring down everything they may consider as unIslamic.... the rise of talibanisan..... What next then? Are we going to be like what happened in India? In Mangalore, the Jamiat-i-Islami is forcing Muslim women to cover up — youths go around colleges threatening girls to wear burqa or face the consequences. It is already happening here with peer pressure either at school or at work....
Just as the church-state divide is characteristic of Christianity, Islam in Malaysia should not enjoy state support in terms of "policing" public morality. This infringes upon fundamental liberties, the blurring of lines between the state and religion has caused problems in the administration of Islamic affairs.
Malaysia's first premier Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra who, in response to question as to whether alcohol and gambling should be made illegal, replied that this was a matter of personal faith. Tunku said, "I am the prime minister, and I will answer to God". These are words of wisdom in a country that is multi-racial and multi-religious.
If things are not controlled, they will only get worse.
Carpe diem...
written by hangkasturi, August 25, 2009
written by Jonathan, August 25, 2009
More DAP and PKR seats...time to forget PAS and move on....
written by Mini / Massive, August 25, 2009
written by amoker, August 25, 2009
I agree that the Muslim authority would have jurisdiction for the Muslims, but this is civilian ( mob squad) that is being formed. In which authority would they submit if something goes wrong?
written by THINK OUT OF THE BOX, August 25, 2009
Ada udang di sebalik Ali.
Go read Malaysia-today about Hasan Ali..
written by zahid, August 25, 2009
This is not helping at all and will cause major retaliation.!!
written by bryan lee, August 25, 2009
written by Mizani, August 25, 2009
written by Observer, August 25, 2009
Let PAS not lie. Put all these into their election manifesto so we are clear of their stand. As of now, their manifesto says one thing and they do another thing on the ground. We are well aware of their strategy to slowly and patiently push the syariah and hudud. I have no objections but say it upfront so we can decide in the polls. These policies does affect non muslims, like the conversion of children if one parent converts to muslim. For pork, pig rearing and abattior is discouraged, selling and buying pork must be done discretly (like an illegal drug transaction), buying beer will be more incovenient and more expensive, etc. What I am trying to point out is that these policies does affct us indirectly, just to debunk your point that it does not at all. But I understand and do respect your right to practice your religion as purely as you wish but try as much as possible not to intrude or force upon others. I will admit there are no easy solutions, just that there should be more discussions and compromises before implementation. As a representative and elected by all races Hamdan Ali needs to think of all the implications, the justice and peace of society, not just for muslims alone. Come on PAS, show us you can run the country.
written by islam is my life, August 25, 2009
written by xpdsees67, August 25, 2009
written by halal or haram?, August 25, 2009
Fine.........I'm non-Muslim and have no intention to do so. But when they try to ban sale of alcohol or MLTR concert, did they ever thought of the non-Muslims like me. Their logic is that SHAH ALAM is a Muslim Majority area but so is the whole Malaysia. Take my place WANGSA MAJU, a Muslim Majority of probably 60%. So PAS want to ban alcohol here too? What next.............. ban of PORK because Malaysia is Muslim Majority nation? To the Muslims, dun interfere with non-Muslim affair. Whether we eat PORK or drink ALCOHOL is not of your business!!!
written by abu, August 25, 2009
this show how prejudice malaysian insider toward Islam and muslim.
pls observe your territory! and know your border!
written by ore kapong, August 25, 2009
written by rakyat, August 25, 2009
Jika tanya taliban, arab saudi muka wanita pun tak boleh nampak, aurat konon , atau utk menghalang nafsu lelaki? Lelaki yg tak dpt menahan nafsu, wanita pula yg dihukum? ingat Pemimpin2 mereka tu alim sangat ke? hipokrit.
Siapa masuk syurga atau neraka adalah kerja Allah. So, don't act as a God to punish us. Ada ke Allah memberikan mandat kepada anda? Apa yg ada dlm quran itu sejarah dulu. Penyesuaian ke arah zaman abad 21th adalah dituntut. Sebab itu quran ada menyebut ' Quran itu sesuai di sepanjang zaman'. Tetapi bukan samasekali dgn paksaan. So, don't play God.
written by Ahmad Tang Saravanan, August 25, 2009
written by Ellese, August 25, 2009
written by mac, August 26, 2009
...and i will tell you..
firstly i'm only focusing on this above statement. we cannot link particularly alcohol drinking with the development of a nation. otherwise it may create an idea that to develope faster, you should be telling your rakyat to take up alcohol drinking...what an understatement..




