UPDATE 2
By Debra Chong

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 21 — Thai pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand told the coroner’s court this morning that there was an 80 per cent probability that Teoh Beng Hock’s death was homicide and not suicide, and suggested that some of his injuries were sustained before his fatal fall.
Under questioning from Selangor state lawyer, Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, Dr Pornthip testified that the political aide was indeed alive when he hit the ground but added that he was unconscious, judging from the lack of injuries to his wrists and ankles.
She explained that if he were still conscious when he fell, there would have been “reaction wounds” to show he had instinctively tried to stop from hitting the ground.
She said that Teoh’s injuries showed he could have been strangled and that he sustained anal penetration before he fell to his death on July 16.
Dr Pornthip added that Teoh could have passed out as a result of the strangulation or from the pain from injuries to his anal region.
She told the court that the likelihood that Teoh had committed suicide — the theory previously put forward by the two pathologists who examined Teoh’s body after death — was only 20 per cent.
The stunning testimony made by the forensic expert, who gained international prominence from her work in identifying the 2004 Asian tsunami victims and more recently in the death of Hollywood star David Carradine, appeared to suggest Teoh was assaulted before his death.
Using a graphics presentation, the 54-year-old who has carried out over 10,000 autopsies over the last 27 years, told the court that not all the injuries sustained by Teoh were consistent with those caused by a fall.
The anal tear, which she described as a “penetrating injury”, appeared to have happened before he fell.
Dr Pornthip noted that the tear measured 6cm-wide by 2cm-long.
She rejected the idea that the anus was penetrated by a bone fragment, which had been put forward by local pathologist, Dr Khairul Aznam Ibrahim from the Hospital Tengku Rahimah Ampuan in Klang.
She reasoned that if that had happened, the force would have punctured the area opposite its entry and not as what was shown in the autopsy photos taken.
She suggested that they were caused by an object inserted into Teoh’s anus from a bottom-up direction, which she indicated with a blue arrow on a picture slide projected on a white screen in the darkened courtroom this morning.
“This kind of injury, I’ve not seen in cases of fall from height,” the director-general of Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) said.
However, she could not say what the object was.
She also said that the depth of the tear was not measured or mentioned in the autopsy report.
Dr Khairul had jointly written the autopsy report with Indian pathologist Dr Prashant Naresh Samberkar who is currently based at the Universiti Malaya Medical Centre in Kuala Lumpur.
Several stripes on Teoh’s upper thighs, just below the buttocks were also pointed out as inconsistent with injuries caused by a fall.
Dr Pornthip suggested the horizontal lines were the result of a beating with a stick.
She added that if she had carried out the autopsy on Teoh, she would have cut open the thighs just under the skin to check for internal bleeding in order to confirm her theory.
She also pointed out several “round” bruises on Teoh’s neck, which could mean “manual strangulation” by fingers.
Her lengthy explanation on Teoh’s neck injuries was peppered with graphic references to her own case studies of strangulation victims.
The skull fracture on Teoh’s head, she said, was not typical of an injury from a fall, but more compatible with the result of blunt force applied directly to the skull.
“I found contusion on fracture line, so the fracture could be caused by blunt force injury directly on skull,” she said, explaining why she disagreed with Dr Khairul’s and Dr Prashant’s theory.
The two doctors who performed Teoh’s autopsy had previously put forward the idea that the head injury may have been caused by the momentum of the landing.
“For transfer of force, (you) only find ring fracture at base of the skull along (the) spinal column, not a linear fracture and not a cervical spine fracture,” she added.
She said that her assessment was based on Teoh’s autopsy report, the photographs of his injuries and from snapshots taken at the site where his body was found.
Dr Pornthip who had earlier suggested that Teoh may have been dragged before he plunged to his death told the coroner’s court after lunch break that she no longer held the view.
In her testimony earlier, she had contradicted Dr Prashant’s idea that it was caused by the impact on the ground.
She explained that she had been allowed to view the original pictures of the shoe, which are of a better quality than the copies she had been provided, and confirmed that the marks on the sole were indeed caused by the impact when Teoh landed on the hard and rough ground feet first.
She told the court she would like to carry out her own autopsy on Teoh, but magistrate Azmil Muntapha Abas who is acting as coroner in the inquest, indicated that it may be too late to do so at this stage.
Dr Pornthip had also previously sent two assistants to join the court to survey where Teoh’s body was found on a 5th-floor landing outside the offices of the Selangor branch of the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) in Plaza Masalam here.
Teoh, who was the political secretary to a DAP state executive councillor, had been questioned overnight on July 15 to help an ongoing investigation into claims his boss had misused state funds.
Dr Pornthip was engaged as an expert witness by the Selangor state government.
She had been among the first names suggested to carry out a joint autopsy on Teoh, but was rejected by his family whose reasons remain unknown.
Earlier, she told the court that she had conducted over 10,000 autopsies in her career, of which more than 100 dealt with fatal falls from high places.
She estimated Teoh to have died between 6am and 8am on July 16.

written by Judge, October 21, 2009
If they want to set someone up, it is so easy.
I heard that our IGP has done so excellently, to be more exact, to UMNO only.
Clearly TBH was murdered and MACC should be sent to hell.
written by matureman07, October 21, 2009
These murderers must be found and prosecuted to the maximum of the law. Otherwise the Federal Goverment and MACC will be held responsible for Teoh dearth by Malaysians.
written by Aries, October 21, 2009
TBH must not be allowed to die in vain.
The culprits must be brought to book and be dealt with without mercy.
That is what most Malaysians ( except those you know who! ) want.
written by yMACC, October 21, 2009
written by a.harith, October 21, 2009
written by Figth For The Truth , October 21, 2009
written by K.Kamal, October 21, 2009
written by Magicgates, October 21, 2009
That's BULLS!!!
The whole WORLD knew it from the very beginning that IT WAS 100%!!!!!!!!!!
written by ROBERT NG, October 21, 2009
LETS SEE WHAT THE MORONS IN THE MACC WILL SAY OR DO NEXT TO COVER UP SOME MORE.
written by truth, October 21, 2009
Now let's find out who is the murderer/s of this heinous crime.
MACC your hands are stained with the blood of Teoh Bang Hock!
written by Jong, October 21, 2009
Either they are utterly useless in every sense of the word, or are they trying to cover-up TBH murderers still having a free run at MACC/BN Goverment, no?
Dr Pornthip managed to expose their brutality and would-be cover-up. It shows they are no better than murderers of Altantuya's, Canny Ong's, Nurin's, Nina's or Musa's, are they?!!
written by citizen_watch, October 21, 2009
written by Imalaysia, October 21, 2009
Please reveal more.
written by rahman-chan, October 21, 2009
written by Lau Weng San, October 21, 2009
written by Kadazano, October 21, 2009
written by cty, October 21, 2009
written by susie, October 21, 2009
written by MACC- Malaysian Association for Clowns and Cocks, October 21, 2009
written by salam2u, October 21, 2009
Sekarang rakyat jelata tahu apanya kisah sebenar, dedah helah pihak bersalah, kononnya surat orang bawahan macc tu benar. Semoga Tuhan maha berkuasa hapuskan yang bersalah menyalah gunakan kuasa mereka.
Sekarang, apakata pihak berkuasa? Nafi lagi?
written by TakDaPati, October 21, 2009
written by MACC- Malaysian Association for Clowns and Cocks, October 21, 2009
written by Kilo, October 21, 2009
Here is someone who cannot be bought. Someone who is an expert, experienced and wholly committed to her profession. No politics, only integrity and the search for truth.
Can our pathologists (involved with TBH's case) emulate just 1%?
80% homicide is beyond reasonable doubt.
MACC can run, but you cannot hide.
written by Tuanku, October 21, 2009
What a great SHAME to our two stupid Malaysian pathologists claimed Teoh BH was suicide case ?
It is UNTRUE & LIES !!
All Malaysians have no trust and never believed the Teoh suicide stories from our police, MACC, chemist and two pathologists because all authorities were controlled by the evil power of BN warlords.
The GOD is great to allow an independent pathologist in finding the true Teoh homicide case against MACC.
written by RL, October 21, 2009
written by My View, October 21, 2009
written by Joe, October 21, 2009
Not surprise. Let us wait to hear from our barua psychiatrists and/or Psychologists. But any decent professional would have concluded from the statements made by the MACC to the press and in court that Teoh Beng Hock had been murdered. One truth, many lies.
written by rocky, October 21, 2009
written by akutahu, October 21, 2009
The whole world knew it from day one!
Even budak sekolah pun tahu!
written by KB, October 21, 2009
written by Whatsay U?, October 21, 2009
written by conspiracy theorist, October 21, 2009
written by swipenter, October 21, 2009
JUSTICE FOR TBH!!!!!!!!!
written by Alex, October 21, 2009
1) Our forensic experts are useless and half-past six.
2) MACC has blood in their hands.
3) A messy cover-up by the Government.
Thank you Pornthip Rojanasunand... for revealing the truth about a murder, and not suicide! TBH, you can now rest in peace!
written by James Loh (Original Version), October 21, 2009
written by BNatang, October 21, 2009
written by tan, October 21, 2009
She's a expert , unlike Dr Khairul and Dr Prashant
written by PH Chin, October 21, 2009
written by mat dengkil, October 21, 2009
written by TSH, October 21, 2009
So much Inconsistent between a pro and a malaysian Coroner....
Sad...sad...case for malaysia...
wanna cover up oso use some brains la...
written by Jimini, October 21, 2009
written by anak malaysia, October 21, 2009
written by ginger_cat, October 21, 2009
written by eng, October 21, 2009
should once again think if someone deserved to be tortured this way??
written by 1Malaysia1Voice1Commissen, October 21, 2009
written by amelie, October 21, 2009
finally someone talk sense. by the way i like her flamboyant hair style.
written by kl_boy, October 21, 2009
written by pengembara, October 21, 2009
written by Speaking Up, October 21, 2009
written by kahseng, October 21, 2009
written by choon voon cheong, October 21, 2009
2) look at board daily for another 4 years max - 2012 to be exact.
3) repay the favour to the powers that be.
written by rakyat malaysia, October 21, 2009
written by leslow, October 21, 2009
written by tomm.cruise, October 21, 2009
written by mehte, October 21, 2009
written by simon li, October 21, 2009
Murder Most Foul!!!
Altantuya. Kugan. Teoh.
Bagan Pinang voted for Murder.
The Angel of Death rules the land.
Whither cometh RETRIBUTION?
Disease and Death will dance a duet with the Murderer.
written by kwek, October 21, 2009
written by amoker, October 21, 2009
written by Delgadoes, October 21, 2009
The ineptness of our local 'experts' remind me of the ones that handled the Kugan case.
Kudos Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand.
written by Matg, October 21, 2009
Thanks Datuk Khalid for bringing in this expert. I have always said that the more religious you act, the more dangerous you are.
written by It's OK, October 21, 2009
written by MJ, October 21, 2009
written by highhand, October 21, 2009
written by MACC I Love You, October 21, 2009
Najib, MACC and UMNO, you all gotta pay for it!
written by Johan Malaysia, October 21, 2009
Definitely MACC will grills on that 20%...
But that 20% possibility will be totally dismissed when the second autopsy is carry out.
written by ken, October 21, 2009
written by School girl, October 21, 2009
written by goldenscreen, October 21, 2009
Thai of the Year 2003 as chosen by The Nation (Thai English newspaper). Chief forensic expert in charge of the 2004 tsunami body identification at Phuket and autopsy of Hollywood star David Carradine. The Chief of Police Bangkok hates her guts. We Malaysians love her guts.
Education includes:
* Forensic Anthropology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Washington, DC, USA
* Forensic Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Washington, DC, USA
Investigated the case of rich Thai millionaire which police concluded as suicide. Together with another European expert, concluded that he was murdered. Uproar forced police to reopen investigations resulting in the charging of the victim's brother for murder.
''The chief of police hates me,'' she said, ''because the police use a double standard and for me, everyone is equal. An unidentified body is the same as a powerful man to me.'' Music to my ears, Khun Ying!
''I didn't like powerful people to take advantage of others,'' she said. ''I thought I could do something about that.'' Hear that, Najib Tun Razak?
The relatives of one murdered man asked for her help when the police said, unconvincingly, that he had been killed by gangsters. Her autopsy found a bullet that provided evidence implicating the police themselves in the killing. Kugan's murderers sit up!
She has worked on a man who choked to death on a banana and a snake-handler who was strangled by one of his pets. She has dealt with epidemics of suicide by jumping, hanging or swallowing rat poison.
On behalf of all Malaysians, we wish you good luck and thanks, Khun Ying Pornthip.
written by Steven Ong, October 21, 2009
Either way, Its a bad publicity for Malaysia. Wait till the final conclusion, then if MACC is found guilty of murder and lying - tore it down. Its good for nothing. Set up a new Anti Corruption Agency reporting only to Paliament.
written by speechless, October 21, 2009
written by joan, October 21, 2009
written by ngbh88, October 21, 2009
I'm so sad yet angry. how can they do that in M'sia, by authority???
written by chinchai, October 21, 2009
written by Md, October 22, 2009
written by apaibaginda, October 22, 2009
Allow Dr Pornthip to carry out an autopsy, perhaps jointly with our own experts, in the presence of say UN representatives to allay any form of manipulation. I do not see why the coroner objects as he had said, ' maybe it is too late to do so at this stage'.
Let the truth prevails!!!!!!!
written by the time, October 22, 2009
written by Mammy, October 22, 2009
Oh wait... We can divert the credit to the Selangor Govt. There is still hope.
written by layman, October 22, 2009
written by Johan Malaysia, October 22, 2009
Bring all murderers and conspirators to justice!!!
Revamp and clear out the MACC!!!
Revamp and clear out the unprofessional police force & forensic/pathology department etc!!!
written by Charles F Moreira, October 22, 2009
PDRM protect her!! Sorry Kwek but which planet are you on?
However, Khunying Dr. Pornthip Rodjanasunand is a top Thai civil servant and head of a Thai government agency and if she is harmed by agents of the Barisan Nasional Mafia it will be a major international incident, so they should be careful, very careful. If she had been a Malaysian, she could well have ended up like Teoh Beng Hock.
It's also great to see that Thailand has been able to come this far in terms of professional integrity, free speech, democracy and so on from a military junta less than 30 years ago.
That the Yellow Shirts, Red Shirts and Blue Shirts can demonstrate, occupy buildings, etc without being massacred shows that Thailand has matured as a democracy, albeit still rather fragile.
I'm proud of that half of me, which is Thai and I'm sure my late mother, who was a medical doctor would be too, though she would most probably have been rather horrified at Dr. Pornthip's funky style.
Khob khun mak, Khunying Phaet Ying Pornthip.
Chaiyo! Chaiyo! Chaiyo!
Sawatdee khrap
written by rolye, October 22, 2009
written by jesus christ, October 22, 2009
written by still-hopeful, October 23, 2009




