KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 18 – Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan today said those who questioned police action in shooting suspects should consider whether they wanted to support those who upheld the law or the criminals.
He said this when asked to comment on claims that the police had used excessive force in a recent shooting in Klang, where five suspected robbers were gunned down
“The duty of the police is to protect the people. We do not protect criminals,” Musa was quoted as saying by state news agency Bernama.
He said the police did not act indiscriminately but considered public order and shot criminals as the last resort.
He also said that the police also had the fundamental right to self-defence.
“If they (criminals) become aggressive, we are forced to act. They should surrender if they do not want to die. We do not want our personnel to be shot first,” he said.
Meanwhile, Musa appealed for assistance from anyone who had information on the location of private investigator P. Balasubramaniam.
The authorities, including the Immigration Department, constantly monitored the movement of individuals they were looking for at every entry-exit point of the country, he said when asked to comment on a news portal report that Balasubramaniam was back in the country after having “disappeared” since July last year.
Balasubramaniam and his family reportedly went abroad for fear of their safety after he had made a statutory declaration in relation to the murder of Mongolian woman Altantuya Shaariibuu.
The police also want to record a statement from the private investigator over a break-in at his house in Taman Pelangi, Rawang, last year.
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written by anand, November 18, 2009
written by anand, November 18, 2009
do not support criminals? Wat about ppl like "tengku"?
if you do not support criminals, why is the crime rate still rising?
if you do not support criminals, why is the crime rate still rising?
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written by dila, November 18, 2009
written by dila, November 18, 2009
what the hell is this stupit dog is talking about???!!!
since when the police has the power to become the judge & executioner???!!
since when the police has the power to become the judge & executioner???!!
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written by siew eng, November 18, 2009
written by siew eng, November 18, 2009
We want IPCMC! Make it an ELECTION AGENDA!
To criticise police is to support criminals? Since when are police infallible when there have been so many reports and personally experienced stories about their failings? What about the cases of rape, abuse and murder that are dragged on or unsolved? What about deaths in detention? What about the violence committed to peaceful candlelight vigilers?
To criticise police is to support criminals? Since when are police infallible when there have been so many reports and personally experienced stories about their failings? What about the cases of rape, abuse and murder that are dragged on or unsolved? What about deaths in detention? What about the violence committed to peaceful candlelight vigilers?
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written by Anak Kedah, November 18, 2009
written by Anak Kedah, November 18, 2009
Malaysia policemen are the main protector of criminals. They are the same. Malaysia policemen are criminals, the IGP included.
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written by swipenter, November 18, 2009
written by swipenter, November 18, 2009
To stop people from questioning the police is the first step in the making of a police state.
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written by amoker, November 18, 2009
written by amoker, November 18, 2009
He sound like George Bush. Well, we are behind an ethical police who behave proper in the right situation.
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written by Old Malaysian, November 18, 2009
written by Old Malaysian, November 18, 2009
This is the reason we want a new IGP. What if you are wrong? What if your corrupt portion of the team frame an innocent person? You mean you are the new Judge and Executioner now?
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written by PC Stone, November 18, 2009
written by PC Stone, November 18, 2009
Hello Encik, We want the Police to upheld the law correctly ! Even criminals have rights too ! All are innocent until proven guilty.
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written by zaid, November 18, 2009
written by zaid, November 18, 2009
Upholding the law means no extra judicial killings. Police have the duty to apprehend law breakers. It is a sad day for Malaysia when we have an IGP who says all who are killed by the Police must be criminals. Is it that there is one law for the police and another for those killed by the police?
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written by mha1952, November 18, 2009
written by mha1952, November 18, 2009
Yeah right. The IGP is telling us not to question anybody in authority. He is telling us plainly that they enjoy immunity. How different is this from GWB's 'either you are with us or against us'? Maybe the IGP should explain to whom the Police Force answerable to. Are the Police the LAW or employed to enforce the Law?
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written by 1bodohland, November 18, 2009
written by 1bodohland, November 18, 2009
I guess our cops don't train much so they cannot shoot to disarm teens charging at them with swords. Najib - buy them laser guided Glocks lah - what is that compared to submarines?
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written by Fred Sn, November 18, 2009
written by Fred Sn, November 18, 2009
Each time this 'IGP' open its mouth, the index drop 1 bib. The ball is now under the foot of the HM.
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written by The Observer, November 18, 2009
written by The Observer, November 18, 2009
It is a shameful police force we have with an equally shameful IGP, who should have been retired a long time ago. He is a total embarassment to our country.
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written by M.Miaw, November 18, 2009
written by M.Miaw, November 18, 2009
I thought Bala's "disappearance" was organised by the authorities. So why appeal to the public for his location? On the other hand, Bala has more concern over his safety as well as his family's safety, than whatever break in at his house. Does IGP has concern over what Bala is going to reveal?
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written by Bigone, November 18, 2009
written by Bigone, November 18, 2009
Actually, I wouldn't shed any tear over a few dead criminals.
But what's disturbing is that we have ONLY the word of the police that these dead people were, in fact, criminals. And we know just how honest and trustworthy the police are.
Dead men tell no tales, victors write history and all that.
One or two occasions of police returning fire in response to being shot at are fine.
But when you have the same formualic reports from Bernama every two or three days - bad guy always shoots at cops first and always miss, followed by police return fire, and all bad guys dead. Only one case in recent memory where wounded bad guy gets away, only to be caught later, alive.
Not that I wish any of our law enforcers to be harmed but the law of probability tells you it is highly unlikely for all bad guys to be such bad shots all the time. But we'll never know the truth. Or even if they were really the bad guys the cops SAY they were.
But what's disturbing is that we have ONLY the word of the police that these dead people were, in fact, criminals. And we know just how honest and trustworthy the police are.
Dead men tell no tales, victors write history and all that.
One or two occasions of police returning fire in response to being shot at are fine.
But when you have the same formualic reports from Bernama every two or three days - bad guy always shoots at cops first and always miss, followed by police return fire, and all bad guys dead. Only one case in recent memory where wounded bad guy gets away, only to be caught later, alive.
Not that I wish any of our law enforcers to be harmed but the law of probability tells you it is highly unlikely for all bad guys to be such bad shots all the time. But we'll never know the truth. Or even if they were really the bad guys the cops SAY they were.
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written by Padman, November 18, 2009
written by Padman, November 18, 2009
Musa has the mentality of Bush, the war monger, Remember what he said of countries which questioned his anti terrorisom attacks in Iraq and Afghanista. " either you are with us or the terorists" Musa seems to say 'either you are with us (police) or with the terrorists'
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written by katirvoli, November 18, 2009
written by katirvoli, November 18, 2009
Such arrogance is what bn has spawned. To them kill first talk later policy. I wonder if any of his family were killed he will talk like that.. remember, there is always devine justice. U may feel u are doing right because u have the weapons, but remember too the weapons given is with the condition to use it with caution. Other wise what is the difference between you and the criminal - shoot to kill??? And the reason u want to know the whereabout of Bala - to kill first and then tell the press he committed umpteen crimes and is wanted for umpteen crimes including the crime of the first SD. hehehe. Keep it up malaysian police. I once had high opinion of u. but such arrogance!!! unbelievable coming from the head. Irrespective of age, sex, innocence, kill all who happen to b around criminals - collatoral damage.
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written by Nico, November 18, 2009
written by Nico, November 18, 2009
Tan Sri Musa,I once respected you as a clean,top cop and until today,
I still believe that you are a clean,good cop..I also hold the view that
today criminals are unlike those in the past.These robbers/thieves/bag
snatchers dont care two hoots about human lives,what they want is to
make an easy living and in the process,hurt,harm and on number of
occassions,innocent victims get killed when they hit their head on the road.
Do what you need to do,Tan sri Musa,to reduce the crime rate in Malaysia.
But I dont agree with you that Police should not be questioned,after all,
they are paid civil servants.By the way,Tan Sri Musa,it is time for you to
graciously retire, as in the words of a retired CPO Perak,you are holding
up the traffic.
I still believe that you are a clean,good cop..I also hold the view that
today criminals are unlike those in the past.These robbers/thieves/bag
snatchers dont care two hoots about human lives,what they want is to
make an easy living and in the process,hurt,harm and on number of
occassions,innocent victims get killed when they hit their head on the road.
Do what you need to do,Tan sri Musa,to reduce the crime rate in Malaysia.
But I dont agree with you that Police should not be questioned,after all,
they are paid civil servants.By the way,Tan Sri Musa,it is time for you to
graciously retire, as in the words of a retired CPO Perak,you are holding
up the traffic.
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written by jay, November 18, 2009
written by jay, November 18, 2009
police are trigger happy and also plant guns and drugs to the dead. what things are new to them. They killed suspect in custody and also protect criminal warlords in the illegal business like gambling and gangsterism.
They used criminals to do their dirty work, hang them when they need a scapegoat. what tricks that we all don't know. If they want to be clean like hong kong police or like any good police force, first thing they must do is stop hiding behind the pillar or trees during the road block. These show how low or cheap they are willing to go. Police car Siren Light is meant to be switch on at night and not to be close and sneak from drivers back .
Malaysian police can't even the see the light and see in the eye directly. They are just a nocturnal bat lurking to suck money from the poor indon, public places where couples are talking etc.
They used criminals to do their dirty work, hang them when they need a scapegoat. what tricks that we all don't know. If they want to be clean like hong kong police or like any good police force, first thing they must do is stop hiding behind the pillar or trees during the road block. These show how low or cheap they are willing to go. Police car Siren Light is meant to be switch on at night and not to be close and sneak from drivers back .
Malaysian police can't even the see the light and see in the eye directly. They are just a nocturnal bat lurking to suck money from the poor indon, public places where couples are talking etc.
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written by 1corruptmalaysia, November 18, 2009
written by 1corruptmalaysia, November 18, 2009
We do not protect criminals?? By indulging in corruptions, you are actually protecting the criminals and don't tell me that PDRM is not well known for that? Why can't people question your tactics? Unless you are running the Gestapo, the public has every right t question your moves. If you can't handle the job, quit and running your own private security firm instead to jaga kereta r whatsoever as i don't give a damn Musa. Malaysians have long lost their respect for the Police Force. Peple don't even borther reporting crimes to the police anymore as cases are unlikely to be solved anyway.
Ask not what the Police Force can do for you, ask what you can do for the Police force!!!!!!!!!
20 ringgit!!!!!
Ask not what the Police Force can do for you, ask what you can do for the Police force!!!!!!!!!
20 ringgit!!!!!
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written by veekay, November 18, 2009
written by veekay, November 18, 2009
Nobody is above the law including the police. The public has every right to question your actions if they believe excessive force have been used. This is not a police state dear Mr. Inspector General of Police. Don't be arrogant. If you think your man has exhausted every avenue before putting these dead man down, prove it. Any dog will know that in any fight there will be casualties on both sides. In this case, if the criminals were fully armed and dangerous and were shooting at the police, won't there be some injuries on your side? If your men can come out unscath in such a heavy exchange of fire, I am sure they are good enough to unarm the criminals without killing them all. Common sense Mr.IGP. We know this are part of the game plan to intimate the Indians. Mind you, the large majority of law-abiding Indian citizens are watching your every actions and we know what you are up and you will know what we are up to come GE13. Bet you will be watching from the sidelines the graceful exit of your political masters then!
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written by B.U.N., November 18, 2009
written by B.U.N., November 18, 2009
I simply love the logic of those in positions of authority these days. If not for the seriousness of the mess the nation is in I would laugh.
First, there was Hishammuddin who saw a positive correlation between the level of crime and Malaysians criticizing the police for the rise in crime. Now we have the IGP who says that those who criticise the police are supporting criminals. What's next? Perhaps I can susggest a few more nonrational logic that is characteristic of UMNO appointees. How about this: to criticise the IGP is to support the police? Or: to criticise Najib's administration is to support Chin Peng? Or: criticising UMNO's management of the economy leads to a recession? Or: complaining about UMNO's mismanagement of our educational system lowers it quality?
The only logical conclusion I draw from the intelligence of UMNO appointees is that we poor Malaysians are to be blamed for all that is bad in the country because we criticise UMNO too much. Our strategy must be to praise UMNO leaders and then we will see growth in the economy, and the quality of education will rise and and the crime rate fall in the country. May be that is what Najib meant by 1Malaysia - all of us praising UMNO, all of us bowing down and worshipping UMNOPutras so that things in Malaysia will improve.
Wonderful UMNO logic, except for one thing - life doesn't work that way!
First, there was Hishammuddin who saw a positive correlation between the level of crime and Malaysians criticizing the police for the rise in crime. Now we have the IGP who says that those who criticise the police are supporting criminals. What's next? Perhaps I can susggest a few more nonrational logic that is characteristic of UMNO appointees. How about this: to criticise the IGP is to support the police? Or: to criticise Najib's administration is to support Chin Peng? Or: criticising UMNO's management of the economy leads to a recession? Or: complaining about UMNO's mismanagement of our educational system lowers it quality?
The only logical conclusion I draw from the intelligence of UMNO appointees is that we poor Malaysians are to be blamed for all that is bad in the country because we criticise UMNO too much. Our strategy must be to praise UMNO leaders and then we will see growth in the economy, and the quality of education will rise and and the crime rate fall in the country. May be that is what Najib meant by 1Malaysia - all of us praising UMNO, all of us bowing down and worshipping UMNOPutras so that things in Malaysia will improve.
Wonderful UMNO logic, except for one thing - life doesn't work that way!
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written by ex editor, November 18, 2009
written by ex editor, November 18, 2009
As I see it the Police force have a serious public relations problem and they need to recognize the need to rebuild a good public image. The last thing they need is letting the department to be dragged into counter productive political talks in the wake of the on-going anti-BN campaigns and unjustified allegations made by Opposition leaders of Pakatan Rakyat in their zest try to take over Putrajaya in the next GE.
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written by rakyatengah, November 19, 2009
written by rakyatengah, November 19, 2009
Most stupid statement was ever said.
Police is God????
We are doomed.
Please everybody dont "question" when police do below action:
1. Asking for bribe.
2. Rudely Manhandle any person as they please.
3. Take someone life as they please.
4. interrogate people brutally.
So we could have a great happy life in this police regime nation. While we living with high criminal rate.
Police is God????
We are doomed.
Please everybody dont "question" when police do below action:
1. Asking for bribe.
2. Rudely Manhandle any person as they please.
3. Take someone life as they please.
4. interrogate people brutally.
So we could have a great happy life in this police regime nation. While we living with high criminal rate.
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written by change28, November 19, 2009
written by change28, November 19, 2009
The rakyat does not support criminals but it is hard to differentiate the criminals from the police anymore.
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written by AgreeToDisagree, November 19, 2009
written by AgreeToDisagree, November 19, 2009
Nobody supports violent criminals. Who asked the police to PROTECT them? But don't KILL them outright either, try to incapacitate them and bring them in alive so they can stand on trial. Give them a chance to repent and even eventually re-assimilate as normal citizens. Any Muslim or person of any faith would agree that being bloodthirsty is unbecoming of our protectors.
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written by Avalokiteshvara, November 19, 2009
written by Avalokiteshvara, November 19, 2009
An utterly disgraceful and despicable display of misplaced arrogance coupled with stupidity.
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written by lee poh yoke, November 19, 2009
written by lee poh yoke, November 19, 2009
Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan is really a reflection of the foolishness of all the prime ministers who appointed him and kept him on.
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written by Agamigir, November 19, 2009
written by Agamigir, November 19, 2009
That's why I don't want my kids to be in the Police Force. The pay is meagre but the life is on the line. If he defends himself at the wrong time, he gets killed. If the opponent got killed the public accused him of abused of power. So, its better for him to do business... like selling fake DVDs. He makes more money lor...
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written by Rotten Shit, November 19, 2009
written by Rotten Shit, November 19, 2009
In simple language the IGP is telling you that the PDRM is the Law, if I want you to sit you sit, If I want you to stand you stand. If you disobey me you die.
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written by Vincent Tan, November 19, 2009
written by Vincent Tan, November 19, 2009
IGP are the best friend of Tengku Tangkak.
Anyway You will get god punishment for what u had done to the innocent 5 life in kapar recently shoot to kill lead by a women commit suicide.I hate criminal.
Every citizen knows what PDRM done on recent shooting in kapar.No chasing drama.No fire from them.But PDRM claim they return fire.All a make up story by PDRM.
Anyway You will get god punishment for what u had done to the innocent 5 life in kapar recently shoot to kill lead by a women commit suicide.I hate criminal.
Every citizen knows what PDRM done on recent shooting in kapar.No chasing drama.No fire from them.But PDRM claim they return fire.All a make up story by PDRM.
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written by Gene, November 19, 2009
written by Gene, November 19, 2009
Musa, what's your definition of criminals ? One who break the law ? Well then we have two types of criminals in bolehland, one in civilian cloth and one in uniform. Which one don't you want us to question and which one to support ??? Until you fellas clean up your act and throw your support on setting up of a truly independent IPCMC (not another MACC that is), the public really can't differentiate between criminals in plain cloth and one in uniform.
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written by Tarchornis, November 19, 2009
written by Tarchornis, November 19, 2009
What do we get if we question police INaction instead?
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written by Francis Pereira, November 19, 2009
written by Francis Pereira, November 19, 2009
I have a a case of 3 police reports being lodged against a conman. It is an open & shut case which should have been prosecuted long ago. After almost 2 years & numerous reminders to the police absolutely nothing has been done. The last appeal to the senior brass of the Police Force elicited a response of promised action within a given time frame but once again no action has been forthcoming. So now by the IGP's logic, questioning police action (or lack thereof!!) is tantamount to supporting the criminals!! Give me a break! Your idiotic statements and failure to face reality is making our Police Force the laughing stock of the world when once we were able to boast of a Police Force which was among the best in the world!!
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written by PC Tan, November 19, 2009
written by PC Tan, November 19, 2009
The IGP should take a leaf out of the many police stories we see on the TV. Whenever someone is shot dead by the police, an investigation is immediately launched to determine whether the shooting is justified. Meanwhile, the policeman involved is also investigated by the IRS and can even be suspended from duties. Dont tell me all shootings of criminals are justified and the police is infallible.
Weren't the police trained to shoot to maim. Out of 5 who were shot, not even one as maimed. Truly dead men tell no tales.
Weren't the police trained to shoot to maim. Out of 5 who were shot, not even one as maimed. Truly dead men tell no tales.
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written by publicright, November 19, 2009
written by publicright, November 19, 2009
PDRM and this IGP talked nonsense...use your brain. We do not symphatised with the criminals. We just want our PDRM to be a clean organisation.
Step down la..give somebody else a chance to prove their ability. We did give you a chance, now no more chances.
Step down la..give somebody else a chance to prove their ability. We did give you a chance, now no more chances.
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written by susie, November 19, 2009
written by susie, November 19, 2009
Support those who upheld the law is certainly the right thing to do. The question is "Are our police upholding the law?" What a joke when people in Malaysia perceive the police leadership no different from those who break the law
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written by LESLIEFONG, November 19, 2009
written by LESLIEFONG, November 19, 2009
What abt the victim Kugan died inside police custody?
He is still a suspect until the court determine him guilty or not but the police stn guys take law in their hand..what you say IGP..self defence?
He is still a suspect until the court determine him guilty or not but the police stn guys take law in their hand..what you say IGP..self defence?
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written by totally unhappy, November 19, 2009
written by totally unhappy, November 19, 2009
to question is because i feel something is not right. everytime such encounters happened, no one is left to tell tales and all the time, the assumed "criminals". something fishy, don,t you think so? this is a democratic country and if even to ponder is not right, something is really amiss in our country.
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written by semuanya OK kot, November 19, 2009
written by semuanya OK kot, November 19, 2009
In the futuristic movie Judge Dredd, Sylvester Stallone stops a person committing what he determines is a crime on the street, reads out the relevant regulation from a small book, declares "I am the Law", and executes him with a weapon that looks suspiciously like a chrome-plated Colt 45.
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written by bananarepublic, November 19, 2009
written by bananarepublic, November 19, 2009
In Boleh Land this is the drill;
Peaceful Protests = Chemical-laced water cannons
Shoot once at cops = Cops return favor with tens of bullets!
If you are stopped by cops, be warned - even scratching your ass may get you shot! Just FREEZE!
Peaceful Protests = Chemical-laced water cannons
Shoot once at cops = Cops return favor with tens of bullets!
If you are stopped by cops, be warned - even scratching your ass may get you shot! Just FREEZE!
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written by ziggy, November 23, 2009
written by ziggy, November 23, 2009
Musa Hassan, you work hand in gloves with Triads in Malaysia but you know something you won't be able
to enjoy those ill gotten monies. You will go down in the Malaysian History as the most corrupted IGP of
Malaysia and your children and decendants WILL live with their heads always stoop down from SHAME.
to enjoy those ill gotten monies. You will go down in the Malaysian History as the most corrupted IGP of
Malaysia and your children and decendants WILL live with their heads always stoop down from SHAME.
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written by 2nd class, November 24, 2009
written by 2nd class, November 24, 2009
The politician especially the DAPs mp like to defend the criminals. This is why those criminals got brave, they got people like Karpal singh to defend them.
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written by asok kumar, November 24, 2009
written by asok kumar, November 24, 2009
so arrogant this IGP
let us teach him a lesson he can remember
let us teach him a lesson he can remember
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written by AnakBangsaMalaysia, November 24, 2009
written by AnakBangsaMalaysia, November 24, 2009
Musa, does supporting the law means the police has the right to be gun slinger cowboy. Shall we call you sheirff then
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written by AnakBangsaMalaysia, November 24, 2009
written by AnakBangsaMalaysia, November 24, 2009
Musa, you just cannot get the point. You are either an idiot or just to smart and alec. Majority of people inlcuding most law makers think you are abusing the law and is very corrupted. Does this allegation not easily get into your thick skulled head. I am just wondering why our neighbouring country bothers to give you a medal.
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written by angry, November 24, 2009
written by angry, November 24, 2009
Too shallow an interpretation especially when public is sometime confused which side is worse the criminal!!
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written by NoPainNoGain, November 24, 2009
written by NoPainNoGain, November 24, 2009
Hello Musang... even if u were to issue a shooting order..y shoot to kill...shoot the legs or the hands..it all comes down to saving your money and time and not doing it right...if we were to support criminals...long long ago would we be carrying guns for demonstrations..or demonstrating violently... The police force is rather lucky that most Malaysians still believe in peace..and i must stress we're rather patient
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Polis DiRaja CANNOT be questioned ??!!
I fully agree with you that Policemen have a right to self defence. But I DO NOT agree with you that they cannot be questioned. They too come under the law of the country. So don't talk rubbish Mr. IGP. You sound so stupid when you talk like this. Unbefitting of an IGP and a Tan Sri. Malu-lah !!