JAN 19 — Recently, someone whom I consider a very close and trusted friend, and who is a Muslim, wrote an email to me with a very simple question: “What was The Herald asking for exactly?”
As someone who knew what the issue was from the start, having once been a freelance contributor to The Herald, I gathered my thoughts and spoke to a few relevant people and started writing down the facts of the whole issue.
Instead of the creative and open writing style that is normally employed in any article, I decided to keep it strictly to the point with the facts itself, following the style of a former prime minister whose blog name is one letter short of the anagram for the word “CHEATED”, which is rather ironic since many of us still feel that way over events of the past 28 years.
Anyway, this was my letter to that Muslim friend.
Dear brother Malaysian,
I wish all Muslims (and even some non-Muslims) were like you, stopping to ask what the issue was instead of playing straight into the tactics of people (and some media) who have personal and political agendas. Here are the facts of the issue, which I am sure will answer your question easily.
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The Herald has been around for more than 15 years.
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The Herald was first published in English only.
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By the late 1990s, there already was a Bahasa Malaysia edition, which occasionally contained the term “Allah”.
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Upon request, and to meet growing demand, Tamil and Chinese editions were added simply to allow Catholics who were more familiar with those two languages to have their community news and spiritual guidance explained for their better understanding. These editions covered a few pages respectively.
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Likewise, the thousands of East Malaysian students in government universities in Peninsula Malaysia, who are active in the Catholic Students Society in their respective universities, had requested to have pages added in Bahasa Malaysia (BM).
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These East Malaysians students over the past 15 years were naturally those who were educated completely under the Bahasa Malaysia medium and with little exposure to English (for the majority of them).
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In addition to the students, thousands of East Malaysians have been flocking to the Klang Valley for better prospects and simply to “cari makan”, just like other Malaysians from all over the peninsula. Again, the majority would be BM-educated and more comfortable worshiping in Bahasa Malaysia than in English.
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Like for the Tamil and Chinese editions, the East Malaysians naturally wanted the Bahasa Malaysia edition to be about their own community news, besides some local and global Catholic church news translated from English to Bahasa Malaysia.
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Bahasa Malaysia was, after all, their common denominator, i.e. the national language, propagated by the government themselves over all other languages since the late 1970s (hmmm . . . I wonder who was the education minister who started it all).
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The East Malaysians themselves wrote the original content and translated some of the English pages in The Herald to Bahasa Malaysia. One can easily surmise this from the writers’ by-lines as well as from the “Letters to the Editor” in the Bahasa Malaysia edition since its beginnings, around 12 years ago.
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If these East Malaysians used “Allah” in their praise and worship all their lives — as did their parents, grandparents and the generations before them — it would only be natural that they would write their articles and reflections, as well as do translations, using the only word they know for the “Lord our God”, the God of Abraham and Moses. The one Almighty God.
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The word “Allah” was never and will never be used to refer to Jesus in any Bahasa Malaysia translation. That is one blatant piece of misinformation that so many peninsula Malaysian Muslims have been wrongly led to believe.
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When former Home Minister Datuk Syed Hamid Albar imposed a blanket ban on the use of the word “Allah” in The Herald, as well as on imported Christian Bibles and other literature in both print and multimedia formats from Indonesia, the church appealed.
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After appeals and all other avenues failed, the Catholic Church had no choice but to go to court because it is a basic deprivation of human rights in not allowing East Malaysian Christians the right to worship God in a manner they have used to worship Him all their lives and for generations past.
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The Herald just wants the right for their Klang Valley-based East Malaysian readers to practise their faith, and share their community information, while learning about their own faith, in the only language they share, being as they are from various Bumiputera groups, and as how they have been practicing it all these years.
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The Herald is only sold within church grounds, and has also complied with government requests to have “TERHAD (restricted)” and “FOR NON-MUSLIMS ONLY” on the cover, even if it was never to be sold or distributed outside church grounds in the first place.
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The greatest lie being repeated over and over again, by ministers, morally-corrupt politicians, some Muslim scholars, some government-controlled media as well as misinformed members of the public is that the church started using the term “Allah” in The Herald since only a few years ago.
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The other great lie is that the term is also intended for use in the English edition.
Thanks again for asking your very important question, my brother.
Please do enlighten your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters on how it all started and why it was a non-issue, then made into an issue by the government, and now has become the biggest possible threat to Malaysian unity, peace and harmony, after more than 50 years of independence.
Thanks.
Take care and God bless.
*The views written here are the personal opinion of the columnist.

written by CYRILDASON.COM, January 19, 2010
written by Donamos, January 19, 2010
written by swipenter, January 19, 2010
Is the writer telling the truth that it was the HM actions that forced the Catholic Church to seek a solution to their dilemma after failing to settle the issue without resorting to litigation? This is opposite of what Nazri said. That the govt was forced enter into a civil litigation by the RC Church.
We cannot give in to religious zealots and right wing Umno politicians self interests at the expense of national interest. This thing has backfired badly on Umno. East Malaysian countrymen and women please vote wisely come GE13. For starters the Sarawak election would give us an idea of how bad is the damage Umno/BN self inflict upon themselves on this needless but divisive issue.
written by Wangi, January 19, 2010
written by Larry, January 19, 2010
I urge all Christians and Muslims alike stop this bickering about the name of the Almighty.
No one has the right to dictate another how to pray , who to pray to and what language to use in prayer. This is a sacred act is between men and God. Please respect this.
May the Almighty God give wisdom and prevail truth and honesty to everyone. Amen.
written by Joker, January 19, 2010
I highly hope that good sense will preval to resolve this issue especially we are moving forward and let the country grows without any hindrance or restrictions.
written by Why cannot use tuhan?, January 19, 2010
I wonder whether you really find the answer for your question? Tuhan alone is not enough. Both Tuhan and Allah is needed in the translation.
O Lord my God --- > Ya Tuhan Ya Tuhan ku or Ya Tuhan Ya Allahku?
http://cherubim77.blogspot.com/2010/01/allah-issue-in-malaysia.html
I think you don't really want to know the answer, even if you keep on asking.
written by stinger missile, January 19, 2010
Friend.... have you even read the above article? Please refer to item 11 and ask yourself whether it is right to demand someone who has been doing something for a long time until it has become their culture to suddenly change because some home minister (now ex-minister) wanted to be a hero before UMNO elections and decided to Ban the word.
written by Oks, January 19, 2010
written by Elephant, January 19, 2010
1. Please check for defination of Tuhan in Kamus Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka
2. Allah - "Malay word" as spoken by Indon and others in kalimantan for "Christian God" for long long time.
3. Predatory, hegemonious and arrogance if one group of people suddenly up and tell someone else that their language is all "wrong and misleading", so henceforth cannot use!
4 Finally - never even heard of the issue until "iqbar" or whatever his name - Home minister" decides to bring it up with a ban. Of course this goes back to the root of all divisive touble "Mahathir" who started this ban back in the 80s
written by Ah Q, January 19, 2010
On bended knees we pray, on the altar we worship and we bent forward to reach out to our God as we honour whether if it is called by other names
written by KL Dude, January 19, 2010
I tend to agree with the writter to a certain extent that this whole fiasco perhaps was just being twisted up for political mileage and nothing more. It's not even a religious issue, in my view based on the following :
1) If really it is a religious issue that may confuse Muslims (as blown-up by the MSM & certain parties), why PAS, PKR and Muslim leaders around the world are not consistent with this stand ? PAS (if they are such an extremist party as some may say), should be the first to jump the gun if that's the case.
2) Why then this can be allowed in the FT & certain states including KL, Penang, Sabah & Sarawak ? Is it because that Muslims in these states are different & won't get confused but Muslims in the others states will get confused so thats why an enactment is being enforced in those particular states to protect Muslims from getting confused ?
3) If really Muslims in majority can get confused (as claimed by many parties and even the MSM), how can the process of getting confuse occur by just reading the Herald only ? How can a piece of newspaper do such wonders and cause the faith of a mass population of another religion to be shaken and confused ? Are there any statistics to prove that coversions ever took place if that's the case as a result of this confusion ? Furthermore, the Herald is only for internal circularization as mentioned in Point 15 above among Catholics only and sold just within the Catholic church compound so how can this happen that suddenly majority Muslims will get confused by reading the Herald, since circularization has been strictly limited and no way anybody outside the Catholic church could even get a copy of it ?
Therefore, I agree that to say that this issue is purely a religious issue and nothing to do with politics does not seem to hold water, as it seems so clear it is actually all politically motivated, but using religion as a justification.
written by Jambo Johari, January 19, 2010
Your writing will not reach the intended audience unless you write in BM.
Maybe you can get Awang Selamat to translate and publish it in Utusan.
written by Henry, January 19, 2010
I believe that this whole issue has been played up because of politics. All the BM speaking Christians want is to be left alone to worship God as they have done for generations past. The word Allah to refer to God Almighty is ingrained in their prayers and psyche. Asking them to change this now is grossly unfair and insensitive.
written by abd, January 19, 2010
well written! I hope everyone will be aware of points 12, 17 and 18. And I totally agree with CYRILDASON that this article be translated and published to reach Malay-speaking readers.
Another lack of awareness among the masses is shown in the frequent question "Why can't Christians just use the term 'Tuhan'?". It must be pointed out that the term 'Tuhan' is already used to refer to 'Lord' in the bible, and thus 'Lord God' is translated as 'Tuhan Allah'.
written by imo, January 19, 2010
I like to correct something. In real truth, when Jesus came, He did acknowledge that He was the Son of God, that's the reason that got the high priests all shouting blasphemy at Him. Even demons, upon seeing Him, said that He was the Son of God.
And as for crusades and all those killings to force people to become Christians, I cannot judge them for what they have done cause I'm not God, but in my belief, I don't believe that Christianity was ever to be forced upon people. Cause if so, Adam and Eve wouldn't have sinned. God gave us free choice to believe and follow Him or have it our own way. I am sorry that you have that opinion of Christians but true believers never force because it's not God's character either.
May you find the truth. Peace.
written by damien, January 19, 2010
written by irene, January 19, 2010
written by rakyat malaysia, January 19, 2010
Get awand selamat to translate? Awang will twist it like it is another letter attacking their malay special rights...
written by fratman, January 19, 2010
You have no proof that Pope Pius Xll was a Nazi collaborator and chose to ignore explanations why we do not call Jesus Allah. (http://www.americancatholic.org/news/report.aspx?id=1863)
To help to get it through your thick head, our Catholic belief is that the Father (Allah) and the Son (Jesus) are one and the same. We also believe that Jesus is God the Father in human form and this is where Christians and Muslims differ. That's their right to disagree and we won't quibble with them.
Thus, when we say Lord God in Malay (or Bahasa Indonesia), it's only right to say Allah and not Tuhan Tuhan. (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/48629-allah-cant-be-substituted-with-tuhan-in-bible-translation--dr-ng-kam-weng) Besides, you have ignored the issue of whether the word Allah has been copyrighted by Islam or are you saying we should just adopt Tuhan to avoid being pushed around by UMNO bullies?
My word, the Norwegians have a name for guys like you. It's called Quisling. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling) which I believe you will be if push comes to a shove.
In future, I'd suggest that you back up your accusations with documented proof rather than shoot your mouth off and proclaiming your idiocy for all to see.
written by K Das, January 19, 2010
So what is the big problem? I don't see any unless I got everything wrong.
written by syeikh-alwi, January 19, 2010
written by tortoise, January 19, 2010
So, instead of blasting Ali, just explain, la...
written by wkc, January 19, 2010
written by VendettaV, January 19, 2010
Muslim friends, please dont fall into the Govt's trap of diverting your attention from the REAL issues today eg corruption, lousy public safety/amentities etc
written by HambaALLAH, January 19, 2010
Who is GOD? ... GOD is ALLAH The Almighty The Creators The Most Merciful
Who is ALLAH? .... ALLAH is one of the name out of 100 names of the rightful Creator of this universe and all its contents including mankind.
Who am I? ...... I am a Muslim, a 'slave' to ALLAH and ALLAH is my LORD, because ALLAH created me and HE 'owns' me, as well as everything else that is 'owned' by me. HE gaves me 'life', and HE can take it back without anybody's concerned or approvals. HE can wipe out Haiti or Acheh, . . and what we can say is that "it is all an act of ALLAH".
So, ' O my LORD, O my GOD' is really means "wahai TUAN KU, wahai TUHAN KU" to a Muslims.
Today, many people likes to speaks and writes about ALLAH,
BUT,
Not many people likes to listen and perform what ALLAH said either in Torah, Zabur, Bible and Qur'an!
The END is near, make sure we are on the right 'track' to seek ALLAH forgiveness and ALLAH blessings
before HE take back our 'life' without our knowing.
written by Dwane, January 19, 2010
Thanks for the explanation. I really appreciate it. As a whole conclusion, I agree people who started this issue maybe just for political mileage but end up with religion and social issue. what a sad day for our country.
For Muslim society, I think they're more concern on their faith if the word "Allah" is used by Christian, it might confuse their children or grandchildren of truly "Allah" that believed in Islam, because "Allah" is The one and only God in Islam but in Christian, they have a concept of trinity. Furthermore in tradition, the word "Allah" is not stated in any Testament (correct me if I am wrong) and they are very doubt why Christian community in Malaysia want to use that word. The word "Allah" itself was stated clearly in Al-Quran.
Yes, The Herald just circulated in Church but how sure that it is not circulated outside the church. It is a matter of doubt. So, I think we need more on interfaith discussion so that all doubt can be eliminated, then this issue will over and will never bring back to threat our beloved country.
written by aPOM bALIK, January 19, 2010
written by bharat, January 19, 2010
check out the superb link...
by the way, just look for your pious pope photo still with the third reich.....
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/inquisition.htm
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676.cfm
http://www.reformation.org/inquisit.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4388567/Germanys-Jews-cut-ties-with-Vatican-as-British-bishop-row-escalates.html
Pope Benedict XVI's decision to lift the excommunication of Richard Williamson, who insists that a maximum of 300,000 Jews were killed by Hitler's regime, has plunged relations between the Vatican and Jewish groups to a new low.
Charlotte Knobloch, head of Germany's Central Council of Jews, said she was withdrawing from a scheduled dialogue with Catholic leaders, while both France and Britain criticised the Pope's actions.
written by musica, January 19, 2010
Just to inform you that even if the Pope might disagree on calling Allah as God, but he (the Pope) does not have the power to govern all Christians. There are many Christian denominations existing in the world; the Roman Catholics, the Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists, the Christian Orthodox (the Greek, Russian, Turkish...etc). So, even if the Pope declared so, other denominations will not follow and that might lead to another problem and won't solve the root cause.
Peace brother.
written by babicina, January 19, 2010
As for those who are immoral and corrupt they actually worship $$$ so when they fight over God's name or cause religious rows , we must ask ourselves, what their motive is? It cannot be their love for God, or they would not be stealing from the rakyat. is must be either for more $$$$ or power??
We the rakyat are getting smarter.
written by Steven Ong, January 19, 2010
written by Steven Ong, January 19, 2010
written by Farouq Omaro, January 19, 2010
written by Joe, January 19, 2010
written by ProudlyMalaysian, January 19, 2010
Thank you for pointing out the misdeeds of the Catholic Church. You had pointed out many, and I'm sure you had missed many more as well.
Oh, I forgotten to mention that I'm Catholic. And being Catholic, although I was not involved in those decisions or actions, I now ask for your forgiveness for the pain the Catholic church had inflicted on you (although, I'm still not clear what you're angry about).
Due to our human nature, there have been many unfortunate events in the past. All these misdeeds were wrongly carried out in the name of God. In truth, they were done for much more selfish reasons. Reasons which are nowhere near the vacinity of the preachings of ANY religion.
Followers had blindly followed their religious and political leaders in the past because they had not known any better. Thinking that the course of action chosen was righteous and was exalting God's name, they had committed these crimes.
In today's context, we still see the blind faith of people. Followers who are keen to show that they are willing (to do whatever for religion). This was sadly translated to burning and defacing places of worship.
Everyone needs to take a step back. take a deep breath and think for a moment. "Does my religion want to inflict pain, hatred and destruction?" There might be verses in our holy books which describe or allow such actions. I then ask you to read deeper and you will surely find that your religion (and mine) preaches peace and above all, LOVE.
K. Anand is correct in his article to state the facts of this situation. any among us are not aware of the details.
Us Christians, are simply defending the right to worship God the way we know. In defence of this right, real Christians will not threaten anyone with violence or hate.
PS - Ali and devilmaycare, we LOVE you both (and also all the other 'Ali's and 'devilmaycare's who are out there). We truly hope you find peace in life.
written by AnakMalaysia, January 19, 2010
written by AnakMalaysia, January 19, 2010
written by bharat, January 19, 2010
written by BigBlueBlob, January 19, 2010
Catholics do NOT believe Jesus is God the Father in human form. While they believe that Jesus is divine and is one with the Father, he is not the Father.
According to the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed:
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, creator of Heaven and Earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father." This part is explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 441 to 455.
Now to move on to a related but different matter.
Just to comment more on the issue, whenever you see the word 'Lord' or 'LORD' in any english translations of the bible, do pay attention on the capitalization, because 'LORD' in most cases is translated from 'YHWH'. It is a pity such conventions are easy to miss. Also, you will see terms in hebrew like 'Adonai YHWH', rendered as Lord GOD (Note the CAPS). You can already see the problem in english, and it is the same problem in malay.
As for the muslim objection "Allah does not have a son, and therefore Christians cannot use the word 'Allah'", it is worrying because it only requires another step to bring Isa/Yesus/Isous into the picture. Following the same line of argument, the restriction or ban can be extended to cover the nature of Isa/Yesus/Isous as well. This time, using difference in language to mean 2 different beings is meaningless, unless one is prepared to say that 'Isa and Yesus are 2 distinct persons who happen to appear during the same period in history'. Therefore the use of this line of argument for a ban is a troubling.
written by Mohamed, January 19, 2010
Your definitions are from English (western) and Malaysian dictionaries. Please check Arabic dictionary as well. Christians in Arab countries such as in Egypt use Allah too. My office mate is one. He said Alhamdulillah, Insyallah, Maashaallah, Ya Allah, the same way muslim Arabs do. How would he feel if we suddenly ask him to stop saying all those because Allah belongs only to muslims?
I ask for all muslims to be good muslims. For as long as non-muslims do not pose any safety threats to us, we should live in harmony with them. That's the way of our Rasullullah. I don't think they mean us (muslims) any disrespect, they just want to practice their religion peacefully.
written by bharat, January 19, 2010
i am not going to mention other abrahamic faith as they will be more upset than catholics.... catholics show restrain than most moslems....
for what was done in the past, apology by you is not acceptable.... the oppressed just need acknowledgment of what happened in the past....whether its gypsy, inquisition etc....we want the vatican to admit these and move on.... and dont repeat it....
many christian organization do this conversion of other faith or atheist even today.... they keep on repeating pagans will rot in hell.... just go and approach your respective church and ask whether they endorse this view.... its similar to moslems...kafirs will go to hell....
pagan religions or atheist people wont say this.... whether from the confucius based, lao tze, shinto, hindus, sikhs, bahais, zaroastrians....
even the jews have changed this doctrine only moslems and christian have not..... until all of
us see each other as equal, there will be continuous war between faith esp. islam and christians....
written by apam2009, January 19, 2010
I beg that all of stop commentting unless your are the expect in the subject discussed. For those Christians, please stop making any statement about Islam and the same goes to Muslim. All of you do not understands each under religion and any statements will create tension. Thus let the experts settle it and the best solution is to have a dialouge or discussions among them to solve the issue. Put aside politics..be it UMNO (BN) or Pakatan Rakyat. To UMNO Malays....do not be emotional and show the world what is the real Islam and for Christians stop the missionary project that your are doing currently. Do not fall to the trap..somebody out there want to see Malaysia in chaos..they are envy on our success stories and able to stay in peace for the past 52 years. Unless some Malaysian want our country to be in deep trouble, then go ahead..issue all the statement but believe me..one day you all will be punished!! Because God is Great!TQ
written by cicak_cobing, January 19, 2010
written by Joe, January 19, 2010
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written by Puzi, January 19, 2010
Thank you for your explanation.
You say The Herald is also published in Bahasa Malaysia, Tamil and Chinese editions. I am curious to know, what terms are used in the Tamil and Chinese editions for the word that is translated as 'Allah' in the Bahasa Malaysia's edition? How and why were the terms in Tamil and Chinese editions chosen as such?
written by Tan, January 19, 2010
written by pp, January 19, 2010
Brothers of all faiths, please feel free to use the word Bhagvan among the other names u may have. We hindus are happy because God is 1 only.
written by GHOST, January 20, 2010
Here is the message from Allah: Surah Al Maedah
14. And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allâh's Book, disobeyed Allâh's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allâh's disobedience), and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.
15. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allâh a light (Prophet Muhammad SAW ) and a plain Book (this Qur'ân).
16. Wherewith Allâh guides all those who seek His Good Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides them to a Straight Way (Islâmic Monotheism).
17. Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allâh is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Who then has the least power against Allâh, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to Allâh belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And Allâh is Able to do all things.
Hope you are enlightened
written by bandido, January 20, 2010
written by Salam, January 20, 2010
1. One side wants to continue to use Allah because they've been using it for a long time.
2. The other side wants no one else to use Allah because it is sacred to them and they fear blasphemy.
Hm... whose rights do you think we should trample on?
I think that most people in this post consider (1) legitimate and (2) a phony concoction. :(
May I ask, Mr Anand, your Point #12... if one day someone prints the popular car sticker "Jesus is God", in BM, and parade it around in public. Would you support Muslims that will be infuriated by it? How much anger you may ask? I guess it depends on how serious you take blasphemy.
There is a 3rd opinion proposed by Pastor Balan (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=248123628088&topic=16741), and I hope it gets traction.
Peace be unto all.
written by Arif, January 20, 2010
written by Aquarius, January 20, 2010
written by yatesnerwin, January 20, 2010
written by ProudlyMalaysian, January 20, 2010
Contrary to what you might have heard or read, the Catholic church does not still condemn non-believers to hell. Doctrine has pointed out that hell is for sinners and for those who do not repent from sin.
As with many other religions, the Catholic church is not spared from misinterpretations and misguided souls. The Vatican has issued official apologies out to Jews, the Templars, to China and more. Indications that the Catholic church intends to be true to the religion which is preached.
However, you might be pleased to find that the Catholic church believes that anyone who had lived a good life and passed without biblical faith, the soul would then travel to limbo. A place of natural happiness, but as the person was without communication with God in life, would continue to be without communication with God in limbo. And that was Vatican's stand.
In more recent times, the Vatican now also believes that if an infant or baby passes without being baptized, this baby would still be able to go to heaven. Theologians have tried to extrapolate from this belief and said that if baby can go to heaven, baby then grows in to adult. If adult lives a good life and repents from sin, then heaven is available. Some have described this doctrine as promising heaven to those "not singing the song, but living the life".
I agree with you on the fact that the church should not trespass into your beliefs and your religion. The Catholic church practices "passive" preaching by way of living good lives and doing good deeds. From memory, Catholics have not gone door-to-door to preach. We welcome anyone who wants to learn from the Bible and will continue to do that. The Catholic church organised charities are done with goodwill without want or need from receipients to convert.
All in all, the Catholic faith is of love and goodwill. I'm sure we (Malaysians) will be able to overcome malice with with hope, peace, love and prayer (from all religions).
written by RRF, January 20, 2010
There is different between Christian & Muslim. In Christian, Allah called us(human) as His CHILDREN. Here, there is intimacy existed between us and Allah. Father & child relationship.What a beautiful relationship.But, as I know, in Islam we are called "Hamba Allah".This relationship is far because there is no intimacy..
written by dhamma, January 20, 2010
Never indeed is hatred stilled by hatred; it will only be stilled by non-hatred -- this is an eternal law.
written by Sky, January 20, 2010
written by devilmaycare, January 20, 2010
I LOVE you too. But you have not answered the question. Why can't Catholics just use the name Jesus or Isa?
I love Jesus too by the way. Great man.
written by someone, January 20, 2010
but we must continue to explain this issue, so that those confused lots and those sitting on the fence can (or at least will perhaps try to) understand. and also beware, they are not only incriminating the Christian (religion issue) but this has a large potential to turn into a race based issue.
be careful with your choice of words.
written by Balram Naidu, January 20, 2010
Peace Naidu
written by ProudlyMalaysian, January 20, 2010
Sorry to seem to have ignored your question, but I thought that question was answered to death by many other comments.
Why can't a Catholic just use the name Jesus?
The concept of the Holy Trinity
In the Catholic doctrine, Jesus (or Isa) does not encapsulate God. Both names are not equivalent and thus can not be interchanged.
On the other hand, I can think of many more reasons why Catholics should be allowed to use the name "Allah".
The right to practice a religion
I guess this is a case where the right to practice one's religion should be held in highest regard. The name "Allah" has been used since Christianity was practiced in Arabic, and when it started to be practiced in Bahasa. It was not a problem then, and up till today it is still used to praise God in Arabic and in Bahasa. Ask yourself, why is it that only recently that you or most Malaysians, heard that Catholics also use the name "Allah"? This issue was politically fanned to garner support and was raised for no other reason.
Catholics do not misuse "Allah"
Contrary to popular belief, fanned by some "not-very-intelligent" newspaper, the Herald uses the name "Allah" with the highest respect as does all Catholics. Catholics use "Allah" in prayer/worship and not in any other non-praising forms. The Catholic Church does not allow followers to demean any other religion.
Another way I would look at this is:
If I was walking along a public foot path, and someone told me to get off the path, because he's been using it more than I. I would then just ignore his claim.
This person then make it an issue with his ketua kampung who then bans me from using it. I believe that I have a right to walk on that path and I go to a higher authority to state my discontent. I then get told that it is my right to walk on the path (I hope you guys see the analogy).
To show that I do not take matters too lightly as to compare Allah's name to a walking path, I chose "walking path" because my religion is my path and I dont want to stray from it.
Peace to all.
oh and PS - Jesus is a great man. If you're keen to know him better, I would be more than glad to share my side of his story.
written by BigBlueBlob, January 20, 2010
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Why not just use Tuhan and solve all the problem. Since publishing on Bahasa melayu and Tuhan is the direct translation for god. If Herald whats to publish in Arabic in future they can use 'Allah;
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The short answer: Because the word 'Tuhan' is already being used in the Bible.
written by Kwong, January 21, 2010
written by Faruk Rahman, January 21, 2010
written by abjmarine, January 21, 2010
To BBB,
I think what most muslim are curious to know since when the word ALLAH is being used in the Bible.The Old Testament most probably is written in Hebrew. So the word LORD is knowm as YHWH and not Allah.I think the word Allah is widely used during the Islamic Era (Prophet Muhammad a.s). Arab Christians and Jews were also using it to refer to ALMIGHTY during that time and not during JESUS time because he preached in Hebrew.
Like many other muslims what we interested to know is why there are different names being used to refer to ALMIGHTY. For example, if my name is ALI..i also want to know as ALI in Chinese or English....ALI does not mean Muthu in Tamil because ALI is a specific name for an individual. Why the ALMIGHTY name in Christianity is not consistent?
I dont blame the Muslim nor the Christian on this isssue. Both are to be blame for not understanding or ignoring other religion. Legal proceeding WILL NEVER solve the issue. The best way is to sit and discuss.
Perhaps, the Christian could also play their roles by explaining to their Muslim friends about their religion. This way the tension or discomfort would ease a little bit.
Peace
written by BigBlueBlob, January 21, 2010
The languages spoken in Jesus' time were Aramaic (locally), Greek (mostly for trade and culture in the Mediterranean) and Latin. Hebrew was considered a religious language at that time, and there were already a large number of Jews who spoke only Greek outside Palestine (as it was known by the Romans at that time). Old Syriac was also used during that time in some areas.
As for the issue of names... give me some time to check on precedents and reasoning behind the translation of both proper and improper nouns. I haven't really given this much thought.
Also, do keep in mind that liturgical churches also need to consider precedents set in liturgical prayers as well, besides the bible.
written by choovs, January 21, 2010
A delight to read your comments and explanations.
Thanks.
written by reysa, January 22, 2010
written by abjmarine, January 22, 2010
Since the issue here is translation, let's translate this sentence and see if we can get it right." SAYA SUKA MAKAN NASI LEMAK UNTUK SARAPAN". How does it sounds in English? " I like to eat nasi lemak for breakfast" or " I always have nasi lemak for breakfast" (correct me if im wrong..malu2). In both sentence, i maintain nasi lemak as the subject. Why???Because if we translate directly from Malay, nasi lemak is FAT RICE (really bad for your health)....or COCONUT RICE (Nasi kelapa?????)...Still not right....so what is the right translation......???NASI LEMAK is still NASI LEMAK....replace NASI LEMAK with CAPATI>>you'll get CAPATI in Malay and English...Ask Mat Salleh to describe what nasi lemak is..i bet he will give you the right description...if FAT RICE or COCONUT RICE...he will think you are same as nuts in nasi lemak!!!
One reason why ALQURAN is still maintain in ARABIC is because of similar issue...MISINTERPRETATION...There is ALQURAN with English or Malay translation in the market. But ALQURAN is only the ARABIC verses....without it...we dont call it ALQURAN..because it is only the translation.
For Christian, the right word for the ALMIGHTY is the word uttered by Jesus p.b.u.h when he preached to his followers. Surely he has repeated the same word again and again. Whatever language JESUS used, the same word should also be uttered by Christians around the world regardless of their race or lingo during their prayers. If the word uttered by JESUS was YAHWEH for ALMIGHTY, why change to ALLAH? Isn't HIS word is always right and valid? Why need to change to English, or Malay or Iban or etc.??It is not hard to remember one name. And have we ever change/localized our name when we speak in other language. Even Nasi Lemak and Capati remain as it is.
I'm quite sure most of us could have refer to Wikipedia or Oxford dictionary (like i did) for the translation..Friend...both are not Bible...not the Holy Book..then why refer to it? The best reference for the Christian now is the Pope...I believe he can give the best answer to this issue. As for the Muslim, refer back to the ALQURAN.
Seriously, i have no problem my Christian friends using ALLAH for ALMIGHTY if that was uttered by JESUS. My Christian friends will be my brothers and sisters since we worship the same GOD!
*p/s Don’t get me wrong. Nasi Lemak or Capati has nothing to do with ALLAH translation. It ‘s just an example.Not iklan.
written by ProudlyMalaysian, January 23, 2010
I sincerely appreciate your attempt to understand and be involved in a dialogue with persons of different faiths.
I agree with you that the problem is language, and not religion. However, these two become inter-twined when religion is practiced. Another portion to the problem is that we are human, and we try to put "Allah/God" within a context or a description.
The Catholic Church, which is guilty of the same, believes that worship need not be done in a particular language. Worship can be carried out in any language because language is man's requirement, and not God's.
Throughout the ages, Prophets and Saints spoke of God in different languages and referred to Him with different names. They came from different regions, countries and continents - all refering to God with (localized) beautiful names.
Even in Islam, I had read that Allah has 99 different names (yet all equally beautiful). All names are equally revered and worshiped.
In God's all-encompassing greatness, I strongly believe that He does not need us humans to give him a name. But it is in our human nature that we need a name (for us to direct our worship): which brings us back to our situation here in Malaysia. We are, once again, trying to place God/Allah within a human context.
The situation boils down to the right to practice the religion as we know it. And as how I had explained in my earlier comments, Allah is worshiped with utmost care and respect. By worshipping Allah, it does not mean that the Catholics are trying to take away the sanctity of Islam or with converting muslims as an ultimate goal.
written by abjmarine, January 25, 2010
Really appreciate on your responds. The whole idea of my response here is not to make a point on the 'righteous winner'. But as a muslim, i just want to share my view on this issue from a muslim perspective. True enough, the issue has become a major concern for most muslim (if not all).
When one's stand's mixed his emotional feeling's, it will turn to hatred / bad feelings even the point he's making is true/factual.
In Islam, there are 99 different names which can be related to ALLAH. The name is known Al-Asma Ul- Husna (The beautiful names of God). The name is so beautiful the Muslim even sing it in nasyid. But dont be mistaken, the 99 names doesnt substituste the word ALLAH in our prayers when referring to God.
http://www.asmaulhusna.com/
The names in Asma -Ul Husna representing characterictics or qualities of GOD (ALLAH). For example, Al Aziz (The Mighty & Strong), Al-Ghafur (The Forgiver), Al-Hafiz (The Preserver). Note the names mentioned are also commonly used by Malay Muslim. Aziz B. Ali , Hafiz B. Hashim etc. The names are selected because of the qualities it carries. ALLAH remains exclusive for GOD, the One and Only.
In our prayer's when we put both hands in the air and said 'ALLAHUAKHBAR' (Takbir), it really means GOD.Though there are 98 other names, we do not substitiute ALLAH with AL-RAHIM during takbir and become 'AL-RAHIM AKHBAR". The names is only referring to qualities/characteristic of GOD while ALLAH is referring to GOD.
Just like Alexander The Great....his actual name is Alexander III of Macedon.The word "Great" represent his qualities as a leader, a conquerer, his wisdom etc.
When this issue came up, some Muslims become very sensitive and concern on the use by other religion (Christian). Muslim knows their GOD's name (ALLAH s.w.t). It is clearly written in ALQURAN and consistenly uttered by other Muslims worldwide regardless of the ethnic and lingo. And when The Herald claimed that ALLAH exist in Christian, the Muslim start to ask since when???And was it been mentioned in Bible (Old Testament)?? and Did Jesus really metioned ALLAH as God or YAHWEH during his preaching??
All this questions remain as mystery to Muslims because they could'nt get the satisfactory answer.The best is if any of our Christians friend could clearly explain the rational behind each questions. If we allow the politicians to make their comments, they will give you their opinions. They are not religously learned leaders (like Nik Aziz). And it is not them (politicians) nor the Judiciary who should set the course for a religion. Let the religious leaders from both side sit down and discuss the issue with thier wisdom and knowledge and not emotion like we did.






The fact of the case as you presnted is well understood. Thanks brother.
-A muslim who worship in Malay.